Carabao Cup Final - Liverpool v Chelsea

[Exiled_red]

Exactly, it should be called a foul. So any obstruction from now on in the penalty area, even when defender runs into you and falls down because they ain't getting the ball anyway should be called a foul.

The problem with it being called a foul would be that it would have to hold the other way as well, so if a defender blocked a run of an attacking player it would be a freekick/penalty. Could you imagine that if that incident happened the other way round a pen being given? There would be penalties given at nearly every freekick and corner in the league with attacking players throwing themselves to the floor at every opportunity.

The offside is a soft way to allow the goal to be disallowed

[Mr Pink]

No, players do this all the time and it's never a foul - think of all the times players shield the ball from an opponent to get a throw in/corner/goal kick etc. They have no intention of playing the ball but they are actively blocking the opponent.

Shielding the ball is allowed, obstructing a player when you’re not near the ball isn’t.

[rudedog]

Shielding the ball is allowed, obstructing a player when you’re not near the ball isn’t.

Here is the rules on obstruction from ifab:

“Obstruction is when a player moves into an opponent's path to block, slow down or force a change of direction when neither player can play the ball. It is not a foul if players are already in each other's space and an accidental collision or contact results”

So because Endo didn’t move into the path of Colwill (he just held his ground) it wouldn’t be deemed a foul.

https://www.footballrules.com/offences-sanctions/fouls/

[Mr Pink]

Here is the rules on obstruction from ifab:

“Obstruction is when a player moves into an opponent's path to block, slow down or force a change of direction when neither player can play the ball. It is not a foul if players are already in each other's space and an accidental collision or contact results”

So because Endo didn’t move into the path of Colwill (he just held his ground) it wouldn’t be deemed a foul.

https://www.footballrules.com/offences-sanctions/fouls/

Right, I think that’s what my point was, about 3 options. They decided it wasn’t interfering enough to be a foul for obstruction, but that it was interfering enough to be ruled offside.

Honest question- when teams strategically have a player standing offside when a free is taken like this, are they trying to get away with breaking the rules, or is it allowed? If it is allowed only if the team get no advantage from it, then why do teams waste a player, doing it?

[Exiled_red]

Right, I think that’s what my point was, about 3 options. They decided it wasn’t interfering enough to be a foul for obstruction, but that it was interfering enough to be ruled offside.

Honest question- when teams strategically have a player standing offside when a free is taken like this, are they trying to get away with breaking the rules, or is it allowed? If it is allowed only if the team get no advantage from it, then why do teams waste a player, doing it?

You are allowed to stand in an offside position if you are not interfering with play, the definition of interfering is determined by the officials so I guess it is a grey area. Years back Big Sam stuck players in an offside position behind the wall in front of the keeper and there was a debate for a while about what they were doing and if they were interfering.

In terms of putting players there I can only really think of two reasons, first being as a blocker or to get in the eyeline of the keeper, the second being a 'marker' for everyone to take their positions from and for the taker to get his aim right

[Assassin]

Imo if players start in an offside position at free kicks it should automatically be offside, regardless if they move into an onside position

[Exiled_red]

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[kingfunk]

Imo if players start in an offside position at free kicks it should automatically be offside, regardless if they move into an onside position

:handshake;

[Slinky Skills]

****ing kills me lol!

https://x.com/thecanadiankop/status/1762135675594248449

[Exiled_red]

Not seen this mentioned much, but Elliott was really close to scoring with that header.

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[rudedog]

****ing kills me lol!

https://x.com/thecanadiankop/status/1762135675594248449

That must from his Red Bull Leipzig days

[Irishnev]

That must from his Red Bull Leipzig days

Yep, when he played with Nkunku, I’ve seen that video before

[Slinky Skills]

That must from his Red Bull Leipzig days

Good spot!

[peterbread]

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[SB]

That’s superb. Absolutely love it.