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    Originally posted by vlahka View Post
    We're playing like a bunch of robots. I've seen almost zero heart or soul anywhere in the last couple months. They're acting like they've won all the trophies and lost interest. If we dont buy at least 4 players next season to freshen things up I'm going to post angrily. Bring back nat philips. Would have smashed Burns.
    I think we will (sign 4 players), but we'll also let some go. Nat might be one of them. Sorry about that.
    Really?

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      Originally posted by Friend of Moises View Post
      Yep. Exactly that. It's an open fan forum, let it breathe. Number of posts for either matters not. This isn't 1940s Germany or 80s Liverpool Labour where only the self-proclaed great can have a voice. Embrace, think differently and grow up is my only advice.

      Poor performance today and all our players bar Kelleher, Elliot & Chiesa should bow their heads in shame, Salah particularly. We were **** and got dominated.
      Wow. I grew up in 1980s Liverpool but not 1940s Germany. I do think they were a little different though.. I mean one exterminated 6m Jews, and the other had Degsy Hatton.. who ultimately exterminated himself...
      Really?

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        Originally posted by danperkins View Post
        Diaz, Szob and Mac had stinkers too.
        How is the great Mo Salah getting away with no mention in the ****e department.

        Big game player, he is not. Cant even dribble past Dan ****ign Burn ffs. Absolutely anonymous for most of the game and bar one little outside of the foot pass did absolutely nothing all game.

        300k+ a week earners don't disappear in big games like he has.

        Yet another example of why he shouldn't be getting a long term deal on stupid money.
        "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

        "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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          I have been saying that for a while

          His shooting is great. But he can barely move to get into shooting positions. His end of season dip (that he has every season) is now exposing how much of a paperweight he is without the service we need to give him to get those goals and assists.

          Fair enough if we structure the team aound Mo, then by all means give him that contract (personally I think that would be a mistake). But its pretty clear to everyone now that take away the goals and assists, and there is almost nothing there. There is almost no threat down the right flank (and the left one is pretty **** too at the moment). He has no pace to run in behind, and certainly cant beat a player.

          This makes some interesting reading:



          Obviously top class when it comes to the shots and creating chances. But he is barely involved a lot of the time, his defensive metrics are in the bottom 2-3% for wingers in Europe. He hardly helps out at the back, his dribbling is below average, he gets tackled alot and miscontrolling is in the bottom decile. Number of crosses bottom quartile.

          He used to score highly on many of these. His legs just dont move like they used to. IF he were to keep up the scoring and assisting he is managing this season, into the next three years, then you might argue he deserves a new contract. But on what terms?

          If he was desperate to stay and compete, he would accept reduced terms as a squad player, which I honestly think he would have to be, even if its playing every game for the first half of the season and sitting on the bench the second. I worry about replacing him, but we need to do so sooner rather than later. We can sell Nunez and use that money and Salah's wages to fund a new player. Then promote Danns. Mabe there is some value in Diaz. HE was on fire at the start of this season, but just looks like a different player now. Jota just looks broken out there. Gakpo needs to get match fit. I think we need to give Chiesa an opportunity too. I have not been impressed so far, but nobody else is doing it, we may as well. Even Elliott could play down the right if Slot has the balls to drop Salah.

          Ultimately, Id love him to stay, but his wage demads have to be realistic. Our squad needs a fair bit of work. A whole new defence. And some major work on the attack. Slot needs 2 more midfielders he can trust too. The money just isnt there for all of that. 300-400k on wages is just obscene, imho.
          Last edited by Charly; 17-03-25, 02:53 AM.
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            Originally posted by labourRed View Post
            I get that. But why not drop him occasionally or hook him. Like I said earlier, it's weak.
            His ego cant handle it
            "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

            "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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              Originally posted by Charly View Post
              I have been saying that for a while

              His shooting is great. But he can barely move to get into shooting positions. His end of season dip (that he has every season) is now exposing how much of a paperweight he is without the service we need to give him to get those goals and assists.

              Fair enough if we structure the team aound Mo, then by all means give him that contract (personally I think that would be a mistake). But its pretty clear to everyone now that take away the goals and assists, and there is almost nothing there. There is almost no threat down the right flank (and the left one is pretty **** too at the moment). He has no pace to run in behind, and certainly cant beat a player.

              This makes some interesting reading:



              Obviously top class when it comes to the shots and creating chances. But he is barely involved a lot of the time, his defensive metrics are in the bottom 2-3% for wingers in Europe. He hardly helps out at the back, his dribbling is below average, he gets tackled alot and miscontrolling is in the bottom decile. Number of crosses bottom quartile.

              He used to score highly on many of these. His legs just dont move like they used to. IF he were to keep up the scoring and assisting he is managing this season, into the next three years, then you might argue he deserves a new contract. But on what terms?

              If he was desperate to stay and compete, he would accept reduced terms as a squad player, which I honestly think he would have to be, even if its playing every game for the first half of the season and sitting on the bench the second. I worry about replacing him, but we need to do so sooner rather than later. We can sell Nunez and use that money and Salah's wages to fund a new player. Then promote Danns. Mabe there is some value in Diaz. HE was on fire at the start of this season, but just looks like a different player now. Jota just looks broken out there. Gakpo needs to get match fit. I think we need to give Chiesa an opportunity too. I have not been impressed so far, but nobody else is doing it, we may as well. Even Elliott could play down the right if Slot has the balls to drop Salah.

              Ultimately, Id love him to stay, but his wage demads have to be realistic. Our squad needs a fair bit of work. A whole new defence. And some major work on the attack. Slot needs 2 more midfielders he can trust too. The money just isnt there for all of that. 300-400k on wages is just obscene, imho.
              Look out, you'll rile up a certain Scot shooting off facts like these about the great Mo Salah...
              "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

              "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                I think it's time to let Salah go. TAA likely go of his own accord but it's VVD that we need to keep at all costs.
                "We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies."

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                  Originally posted by Tatterdemalion View Post
                  I think we will (sign 4 players), but we'll also let some go. Nat might be one of them. Sorry about that.
                  You take your forked tongue elsewhere!

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                    Keeping Salah 'only' costs something like £20m a year. On the basis of numbers he's worth that.

                    Other areas need more attention first of all and then he can be replaced in a few years.

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                      Originally posted by Harv View Post
                      How is the great Mo Salah getting away with no mention in the ****e department.

                      Big game player, he is not. Cant even dribble past Dan ****ign Burn ffs. Absolutely anonymous for most of the game and bar one little outside of the foot pass did absolutely nothing all game.

                      300k+ a week earners don't disappear in big games like he has.

                      Yet another example of why he shouldn't be getting a long term deal on stupid money.
                      how long have you had this post saved in drafts? Can feel you rubbing your hands together.

                      Salah was poor yesterday, but not sure that summarises his season and identifies him as a non big game player. I think it identifies us as a one threat team.
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                        Originally posted by Harv View Post
                        Look out, you'll rile up a certain Scot shooting off facts like these about the great Mo Salah...


                        I’m here for the debate. Your the one who brings the anger.
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                          You're
                          "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                          "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                            Originally posted by Harv View Post
                            You're
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                              Originally posted by Buzzo View Post


                              I’m here for the debate. Your the one who brings the anger.
                              *Thou art
                              "We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies."

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                                Salah was pretty terrible but he was feeding on scraps and didn’t get much in the way of support. Diaz saw way more of more of the ball but Trippier did a number on him.

                                Slot left it far too long to see it wasn’t working, Howe out thought him.
                                Last edited by rudedog; 17-03-25, 08:00 PM.

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