Rio Ngumoah

[RedReet]

I thought it was because there were rumours Spurs were in for him

Ha, that would definitely do it too.

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He wants to leave Madrid in order to get first team football, but clearly he has watched the Bilbao highlights and realised he's more chance of displacing Vinni Jr than young Rio.

Isn't it obvious?

I thought it was because there were rumours Spurs were in for him

[RedReet]

Why?

He wants to leave Madrid in order to get first team football, but clearly he has watched the Bilbao highlights and realised he's more chance of displacing Vinni Jr than young Rio.

Isn't it obvious?

[DerKrampus]

Does Charity Shield count?

I really fancy him to score in that.

It's an official match officially recognised by the FA so yes, I'd say it's a competitive game!

[Catrin]

Rodrygo suddenly wants to stay at Madrid. I wonder why...

Why?

[SB]

There's no one I had more hope for than Nemeth.

Suso & Pacheco for me. Suso has probably had the best career out of the lot of them other than $terling .

[RedReet]

Rodrygo suddenly wants to stay at Madrid. I wonder why...

[RedReet]

There's no one I had more hope for than Nemeth.

Ha, Nemeth popped into my head when I wasn't out walking the dog shortly after.

Think Suso was my big 'all in', nothing would convince me he wasn't going win Ballon D'or. I'm sure I said he had Messi's dribbling ability and Alonso's passing range. TBF, he did when he was playing against kids.

[BigChief]

Forgot Woodburn even existed. When I trying to remember my opinion on past 'wonderkids' I was thinking Doak, Sterling, Ibe, Wilson, Morgan, Suso, Pacheco, Ngoo, Insua. Woodburn didn't even cross my mind.

There's no one I had more hope for than Nemeth.

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Forgot Woodburn even existed. When I trying to remember my opinion on past 'wonderkids' I was thinking Doak, Sterling, Ibe, Wilson, Morgan, Suso, Pacheco, Ngoo, Insua. Woodburn didn't even cross my mind.

To be fair he only played a handful of games.

[RedReet]

Taking away Ben Woodburn's record

Also Carabao cup 3rd round is mid-late September, you would imagine he has a good chance of starting that game even if he isn't involved before...

Forgot Woodburn even existed. When I trying to remember my opinion on past 'wonderkids' I was thinking Doak, Sterling, Ibe, Wilson, Morgan, Suso, Pacheco, Ngoo, Insua. Woodburn didn't even cross my mind.

[RedReet]

Boooooo.

He'll have to save it for Bournemouth then.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Does Charity Shield count?

I really fancy him to score in that.

Nope, scoring in that does not count as a competitive goal.

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No pressure but if he can score a competitive goal for the first team by the 12 October, he becomes the youngest goalscorer in our history.

Taking away Ben Woodburn's record

Also Carabao cup 3rd round is mid-late September, you would imagine he has a good chance of starting that game even if he isn't involved before...

[Exiled_red]

Perhaps a controversial opinion but I’d rather keep Doak instead of Chiesa.

Both could be sold and Doak would command a bigger fee but Chiesa is a spent force and too injury prone. Doak has also been disrupted by injuries but he’s still so young he can hopefully recover and not have them affect him long term.

Rio does seem very exciting, probably even more so than Sterling at the same age but development isn’t linear. It will be more interesting to compare how they stack up at 19 when Sterling was an outstanding senior pro.

I think Doak is more of a winger and Chiesa is someone who can cover more positions. Chiesa (when fit) is something of a known quantity Doak is still very much unknown and is untested at the top level (Chiesa has played elsewhere at the top level).

It would have been interesting to see where Doak was at had he not got injured last season as by all accounts he was doing well at Middlesborough I think he had about 10 G/A in ~25 games which was a decent level of production for an 18/19 year old. As I think he could have been viewed as something of a prospect, whereas at the moment he's almost something of a forgotten man. Rio is the new prospect in town. Alot of people have been talking about Doak being sold but I think that another loan move is probably the smart thing for him if we want him to develop and/or maximise his value.

My feeling is that we would probably end up loaning Doak and keeping Chiesa for another year, not necessarily for reasons of quality but more for experience and potentially financial reasons. I think Chiesa would be difficult to sell and we may end up subsidising his wages (and we are likely going to be dealing with Italian clubs) I don't think Chiesa's value drops if we sell him in a year, if he plays there is the potential for it to increase.