I'm going to say it...

[KingKenny]

BENITEZ OUT!


Call me rash or whatever, but we deserve a manager who can give us a shot at the league. Benitez hasn't got a clue in that repsect. I've got my tin hat ready, but i'd like the decent posters to answer me why he should STILL be manager.



Thanks for the memories Rafa, but no thanks.

contender for the post of the YEAR :whatever: :whatever:
if you are RASHID..how the **** did you make it here and be allowed to infest this site with such drivel

[CAD]

BENITEZ OUT!


Call me rash or whatever, but we deserve a manager who can give us a shot at the league. Benitez hasn't got a clue in that repsect. I've got my tin hat ready, but i'd like the decent posters to answer me why he should STILL be manager.



Thanks for the memories Rafa, but no thanks.

OK! Hi Rash

[Mumsafan]

BENITEZ OUT!


Call me rash or whatever, but we deserve a manager who can give us a shot at the league. Benitez hasn't got a clue in that repsect. I've got my tin hat ready, but i'd like the decent posters to answer me why he should STILL be manager.



Thanks for the memories Rafa, but no thanks.

Some people need to grow up.

[redbuz]

The real problem lies with at Boardroom level IMO. We are still run like an old family corner shop, but there are new modern shopping complexes opening up all around us (i.e. Chavs and Arsenal).

We need to move with the times, and we need to move quick. Rick Parry has more to answer for IMO than Rafa.

Once we get it right with the club ownership Rafa will be able to deliver us a footballing experience we all dreamed of when he took over - yes we do need an investor who can make us compete financially for players with the likes of Chelsea and Utd rather than Boro.

Leave Rafa alone - he has worked wonders and we will still get it right THIS season!!

Spot on there!

[NICKZS]

Well if you look at the fine details from last season, we were one point off finishing 2nd - something you are categorically dismissing as ever being possible - with Rio Ferdinand's last second winner against us being the difference.

This thread should have been left right there. A big stonking confirmation of this posters idiocy and completely bizarre vendetta against Benitez. I am embarrassed that Liverpool fans like this exist.

EDIT: Just re-read that and just wanted to make it clear am not talking about Shaggy!

[glynner]

Christ on a bike !

Yes, let's sack Benitez, pay him 10 million in compensation, let the players morale plummet, allow Gerrard and Alonso to leave and bring in Curbishley, who'll attract top players to the club with his brilliant "domestic" reputation

Now that'll be progress......

[Morph]

Sorry Morph, but that's a rubbish thing to say too.

Well it's all ifs and buts, but if we had a stinker this season, followed by a stinker next season then there would be questions being asked of Rafa. Personally I don't think it'll come to that, but there does have to be a point when action has to be taken.

[Craig_H]

Ok let me try and find some reasons:
1. Less than 2 years since we won the Champions League
2. Current FA Cup Holders
3. Have dropped 8 league points at Anfield out of our last 72
4. Thanks to his recruitment drive we won the FA youth cup for the first time in 10 years
5. We achieved 82 points in the league last season; since the league went back to 20 teams; that would have equalled or won the league in 95/96; 97/98; 98/99 and 2000/2001
6. He's been here less than 2 1/2 seasons and either won or made it to the final of every cup competition we have entered
7. This has been our best ever start to the Champions League
8. I read somewhere that he has spent the net amount of £25 million on players since his arrival; compare that to Chelsea (£275 million - or an average of £12.5m per player in a 22 man squad) or the scum (Rooney - £30m; Ferdinand - £30m; Ronaldo - £15m; Carrick - £18m; Saha - £12m); or even Arsenal where there is always talk about how well Arsene has done on a limited budget, but whenever he has wanted an expensive player - Henry; Pires; Walcott; Reyes; Hleb; Rosicky and the rest - his board have backed him
9. He knows we can't compete in the market, so he has put together a collection of probably the most talented youngsters in the league with a view to the future
10.Rafa doesn't complain about lack of funds, but it is killing us.

At the moment I agree that he can't lead us to the title; but I don't think there is anyone around who can.

You say we deserve a manager who can give us a shot at the league; I say we have one, but we deserve a board that can give him the means to make it happen.

Spot on mate.

[Craig_H]

Well it's all ifs and buts, but if we had a stinker this season, followed by a stinker next season then there would be questions being asked of Rafa. Personally I don't think it'll come to that, but there does have to be a point when action has to be taken.

Depends on how you define a stinker mate.

IMO, as long as we're finishing top 4, he must remain in the job and be given the amount of time that it takes. Not 3 or 4 seasons even. I'm talking 6, 7, 8 maybe 10.

Look at the two most succesful sides (chelsea aside) and what do they have in common? Stability with regards to management. Ferguson 20 years, Wenger 10 years. Even Charlton had their best years in recent times, under the manager who had been there for ages.

If the fella is a quality manager (and Rafa clearly is) then he'll get it right sooner or later, provided he's backed with money and time. Rafa's too good IMO to NOT get it right, if he's given the time.

The only situation under which i'd question him is if he fails to get us into the CL every season, which is a minimum requirement.

I'd happily see him remain long enough to complete a decade at LFC.

And as rightly pointed out, who would we bring in? We arent failing in the league BECAUSE of Rafa, we're failing DESPITE him. He isnt what's wrong.

[Red_Al_77]

Rafa has to be given the chance to turn our league season around. He is showing that when it comes to the Cups he gets it right.

We are all disappointed at the way we are playing and our league position but calling for the manager's head after 15 games smacks of stupidity. We'd be no better than Charlton. People have to look at the bigger picture.

[Morph]

Depends on how you define a stinker mate.

IMO, as long as we're finishing top 4, he must remain in the job and be given the amount of time that it takes. Not 3 or 4 seasons even. I'm talking 6, 7, 8 maybe 10.

if thats the case why isn't Houllier still here

[Craig_H]

if thats the case why isn't Houllier still here

Possibly because the board didnt believe he had what it takes to win the league?

I dont know if you're asking whether I feel GH should still be in charge, or whether simply why the board didnt keep him, based on the CL qualification thing i mentioned.

Obviously i cant speak for the board, but in my own humble opinion, RB will get it right if given time and the right backing. I didnt feel that way about GH during the latter stages of his tenure.

[Morph]

Possibly because the board didnt believe he had what it takes to win the league?

I dont know if you're asking whether I feel GH should still be in charge, or whether simply why the board didnt keep him, based on the CL qualification thing i mentioned.

Obviously i cant speak for the board, but in my own humble opinion, RB will get it right if given time and the right backing. I didnt feel that way about GH during the latter stages of his tenure.

We haven't seen the latter stage of Benitez's tenure yet (hopefully), everyone had high hopes after houllier's first 2-3 seasons and it all went pear shaped there is a possibility it could just happen all over again

[Speedy]

Ok let me try and find some reasons:
5. We achieved 82 points in the league last season; since the league went back to 20 teams; that would have equalled or won the league in 95/96; 97/98; 98/99 and 2000/2001
6. He's been here less than 2 1/2 seasons and either won or made it to the final of every cup competition we have entered
8. I read somewhere that he has spent the net amount of £25 million on players since his arrival; compare that to Chelsea (£275 million - or an average of £12.5m per player in a 22 man squad) or the scum (Rooney - £30m; Ferdinand - £30m; Ronaldo - £15m; Carrick - £18m; Saha - £12m); or even Arsenal where there is always talk about how well Arsene has done on a limited budget, but whenever he has wanted an expensive player - Henry; Pires; Walcott; Reyes; Hleb; Rosicky and the rest - his board have backed him
9. He knows we can't compete in the market, so he has put together a collection of probably the most talented youngsters in the league with a view to the future
.

Decent post mate. I dont understand point 6 though?

[Shaggy]

Decent post mate. I dont understand point 6 though?

Surely it's obvious.

He doesn't mean every time we've entered the Cups, cos of course we had the Burnley nightmare, but, under Rafa, we've reached the final of the League Cup, won the FA Cup and won the Champions League.