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    #31
    Originally posted by dww View Post
    I think that the games he has played have been misrepresentative of what would happen if he was played in tougher fixtures.
    Nothing can be proved either way - whatever you or I deduce is purely opinion.

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      #32
      Originally posted by carheex View Post
      Nothing can be proved either way - whatever you or I deduce is purely opinion.
      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
      -- William Blake

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        #33
        Originally posted by carheex View Post
        I'm not saying play Fowler BECAUSE he's Robbie Fowler or even because of his record back when he was younger. My argument is....play the Striker(s) with the best goals ratio - whoever it might be. I'll admit that I loathe Bellamy and cannot believe such a limited cuntbag has ended up at our club, but in all honesty, I'd be wanting him to start if he was delivering the goods.
        but in any of Rafa's team he doesnt care about Goals Ratio its about contribution to the team. Kuyt/bellamy/Crouch offer far more to the TEAM than Robbie.
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          #34
          Originally posted by red g View Post
          but in any of Rafa's team he doesnt care about Goals Ratio its about contribution to the team. Kuyt/bellamy/Crouch offer far more to the TEAM than Robbie.
          To be fair though as all our midfielders seem to have an alergy to being in the box (with the exception of Garcia) it is quite key to our play that a striker offers a threat thereby at least occupying a defender. It is not always what happens on the ball, but off it also that can be important in terms of contibution.

          Still I think that this season both Kuyt and Crouch have offered a decent danger up front when we have provided any service, so I think Robbie should and in all likelyhood will remain a bench player.
          "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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            #35
            Originally posted by red g View Post
            but in any of Rafa's team he doesnt care about Goals Ratio its about contribution to the team. Kuyt/bellamy/Crouch offer far more to the TEAM than Robbie.
            define "contribution to the team".....? as a striker, unless you define it in terms of goals and/or assists it's a pretty grey area. so to be on the safe side, why not play the strikers who score the most???

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              #36
              If, and when, we get better delivery, you'll find the strikers are plenty enough with quality delivery & service.

              The areas to be improved in the first instance are not in the striking department.
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                #37
                Originally posted by carheex View Post
                define "contribution to the team".....? as a striker, unless you define it in terms of goals and/or assists it's a pretty grey area. so to be on the safe side, why not play the strikers who score the most???
                Perfect example; RVN pure goalscorer and does **** all else. Would question how good he would do in our team as we dont have enough chances created for him a la robbies problem

                Kujt for examplepicks up the ball deep. holds the ball up well can play on the riight if needed. We need versatility from our players as we dont YET have the dosh to be able to get a big enough squad
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by red g View Post
                  Perfect example; RVN pure goalscorer and does **** all else. Would question how good he would do in our team as we dont have enough chances created for him a la robbies problem

                  Kujt for examplepicks up the ball deep. holds the ball up well can play on the riight if needed. We need versatility from our players as we dont YET have the dosh to be able to get a big enough squad
                  ..but we've created more chances and had more attempts than any other premiership team this season - therefore we clearly need someone who can put chances away. picking the ball up deep and running down the right wing is pretty useless if no one's around to put the ball in the net.

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                    #39
                    Do you know how "created chances" was defined for the sake of those statistics? I only ask because I would never have guess that to be true, in too many games we seem to have had to resort to long shots when I have seen us - although I would like to be proved wrong and for us to be actually creating more than I get the impression we have.
                    "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by carheex View Post
                      ..but we've created more chances and had more attempts than any other premiership team this season - therefore we clearly need someone who can put chances away.
                      Totally disagree. We haven't create the kind of chances that the other top teams have for most of this season. I don't find myself cursing glaring misses at all, it's usually the inability of people to beat their man or put in a good final ball that I'm left cursing at. We don't create clear chances at the rate we should and that has been the bigger problem this season.
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by dww View Post
                        Do you know how "created chances" was defined for the sake of those statistics? I only ask because I would never have guess that to be true, in too many games we seem to have had to resort to long shots when I have seen us - although I would like to be proved wrong and for us to be actually creating more than I get the impression we have.
                        haven't got the foggiest but if they are true, then our strikers aren't that great on the whole so we need to get new ones. if the stats are incorrect then our assist providers aren't up to scratch so we need to replace them instead. personally, i think we need better strikers more than we need anything else.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by carheex View Post
                          haven't got the foggiest but if they are true, then our strikers aren't that great on the whole so we need to get new ones. if the stats are incorrect then our assist providers aren't up to scratch so we need to replace them instead. personally, i think we need better strikers more than we need anything else.
                          It has been the introduction of two new wingers that has cost us in alot of our build up play IMO, both did not settle as we would have liked. We also miss Harry Kewell.
                          Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                          'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                          "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                          * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                            #43
                            Whether Fowler's the best striker at the club or not, does anyone else think that we need a new striker?
                            I do, although I think there are other position which need filling first.
                            What we buy is anybody's guess, no-one is pulling up any trees.
                            Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                            (1995)
                            "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Red_Polo View Post
                              Totally disagree.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by carheex View Post
                                And his contribution/link up/passing is superb.
                                It was Fowler's link up play against PSV which made me realise that he's never going to be ahead of Bellamy, Crouch and Kuyt in the pecking order and will probably make way for a new striker in the summer.

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