Peter Crouch to Newcastle

[Red Chilli]

We never won a title with Fowler at his best or Owen at his best.

We did with Ronnie Rozenthal though

[fatistuta]

I'd love to see what people would say on here about Ronnie if the internet was available then.

[ElRobbie]

I'd say that's a mistake, how can it be Crouch's fault that we're 1-0 down rather than 3-0 up? If you'd said 3-1 up then I might have taken you seriously, but then you started name calling

Are you for real? That's just complete tittle tattle!

We were 1-0 down, FACT! We should have been 3-0 up, FACT, he missed glaring (and our best) opportunites, FACT, if we we're 3-0 up, who's to say they would have scored that goal?? So why would it have been 3-1? You couldn't possibly know that, its not a mistake unless its wrong, which it isn't, it's just conjecture.

I only called you a clown cause you were talking rubbish and trying to be clever, hardly very offensive is it, it's not meant nastily.

[ElRobbie]

We never won a title with Fowler at his best or Owen at his best.

Selling Crouch is not the answer.

That's cause the team wasn't good enough, we were good enough as a team in the first half today to put that game to bed and were let down by lack of quality finishing, its those small differences that win titles, we're better now in other areas of the pitch than we were then.

[Red Chilli]

That's cause the team wasn't good enough, we were good enough as a team in the first half today to put that game to bed and were let down by lack of quality finishing, its those small differences that win titles, we're better now in other areas of the pitch than we were then.

So if you like the striker and we don't win the league, it's the teams fault ; yet if you don't like the striker and we don't win the league, it's the strikers fault.
OK

Can I just remind you, you're saying we'll never win the league with players like Crouch yet Crouch has been 3rd choice striker in the league this season and has scored more goals than the others yet we're not top of the league.
Why do you think that is? Crouch's fault?

[fatistuta]

That's cause the team wasn't good enough, we were good enough as a team in the first half today to put that game to bed and were let down by lack of quality finishing, its those small differences that win titles, we're better now in other areas of the pitch than we were then.

That is a good point but how is selling Crouch the answer?
Bellamy and Kuyt seem to be Rafa's first choice at the momment with Kuyt taking a rest today.
Are you saying we need a top striker as cover for Bellamy and Kuyt?
Or instead of?
Or as well as?
Are any of our top four strikers good enough for you?

[Red Chilli]

That is a good point but how is selling Crouch the answer?
Bellamy and Kuyt seem to be Rafa's first choice at the momment with Kuyt taking a rest today.
Are you saying we need a top striker as cover for Bellamy and Kuyt?
Or instead of?
Or as well as?
Are any of our top four strikers good enough for you?

Exactly. That's what I was saying. It's Crouch's fault that we're not top of the league yet he doesn't play. When he does play, he scores more regularly than the others.

[Rosco]

Exactly. That's what I was saying. It's Crouch's fault that we're not top of the league yet he doesn't play. When he does play, he scores more regularly than the others.

2 goals in how many league games this season? 17 is it ?

10 in 49 games in the league over his LFC career.

There is absolutley nothing kneejerk about suggesting we sell a striker who clearly isn't up to the task when we've given him 49 league games to prove himself.

[saj]

Crouch = Get him out

My first post after many months of browsing this forum:

Crouch, the man is a useless turd. Sorry to say it - yes we lost but forgive me for making the lanky ****e a scapegoat but this match was lost due to him and only him. You can talk about all the goals he's scored in his Liverpool career, but they've all been put on a plate for him excluding that overhead-kick goal he scored against Galatasary. He has missed far too many chances in his career and today was no exception. He should have easily scored 3 goals today. His final header on goal in the 36th minute that was saved was a disgrace. Any average striker could have scored that - thus my conclusion is that he is clearly below average. His workrate was awful today (and always has been) and he brought nothing to the game - playing crouch was like having 10 men on the pitch. He doesn't win many headers and is poor at heading and doesn't even have good feet. People say he has good feet, but every ****ing footballer has good feet - if they didn't have good feet, they wouldn't be a footballer.

So someone please tell me his qualities? He was bought as a target man who would take advantage of crosses being put into the box and provide an aerial threat on goal. But he can't head, so what use is he? And to make matters worse, the way he reacted to being substituted was a disgrace - when he sat down on the bench he threw a coat. You can call it him being passionate and caring but it was a sellfish reaction from him - clearly he thought he didn't deserve to be substituted but believe me he did. I'm surprised he made it back on the pitch at half time. Ronny Rosenthal was a far better player than this man for those of you who can remember him.

The good news is that he's still got market value and luckliy there are many clubs in the premiership who will be stupid enough to sign him. Liverpool should not make a loss on him financially and mark my words (not that I make many posts), he will be gone at the end of the season. With the potential of funding coming in a few months, there's no chance he will be sold in January but instead in the summer when a replacement and the funding are finalised.

On a plus note, the perfomance against Blackburn wasn't bad at all. Alonso was absolutely immense today. He put so many tackles in and his passes were stunning. He really drove the team forward today and was unlucky not to score a couple of goals. I'm pleased that he now has started to puch forward more this season and he really has excelled in the last few matches.
We didn't deserve to lose but one man made sure that we did.

Thanks and I'm sorry if I've offended any Crouch fans but his perfomances are a justification of my thoughts on him.

[ElRobbie]

So if you like the striker and we don't win the league, it's the teams fault ; yet if you don't like the striker and we don't win the league, it's the strikers fault.
OK

Can I just remind you, you're saying we'll never win the league with players like Crouch yet Crouch has been 3rd choice striker in the league this season and has scored more goals than the others yet we're not top of the league.
Why do you think that is? Crouch's fault?

That's just facetious bull **** mate, it's not what I'm saying. If we had a better striker we might just win the league, that's the point I'm making. Today we played quite well in the first half and the difference was basically Crouch. The point I made was in reply to his post about Owen or Fowler, to which I said the rest of the team wasn't as good as it is now when they were at their best, although we had our moments and we were close when Fowler was at his best, thats the point I'm trying to make, having a world class striker makes such a massive difference and would do to us.

It's nothing to do with liking him or not liking him, he's simply not good enough, not even as 3rd choice. He hasn't scored more goals than the others, he's only scored 2 in the league. Champions League goals won't help us win the Premiership will they.

[StevieG08]

Go back to 'browsing'?

[ElRobbie]

That is a good point but how is selling Crouch the answer?
Bellamy and Kuyt seem to be Rafa's first choice at the momment with Kuyt taking a rest today.
Are you saying we need a top striker as cover for Bellamy and Kuyt?
Or instead of?
Or as well as?
Are any of our top four strikers good enough for you?

Well firstly, if what we seen today was a our 3rd choice striker and that's what you get, then we do need a better 3rd choice striker, cause that was clearly the difference between us winning and losing today.

Ideally though, I'd like us to sell Crouch and get someone who would be more of a first choice striker, someone who you couldn't leave out the team, a la Rooney, Saha, Drogba, Henry etc etc, get the point I'm trying to make?

You say we never won a title with Owen or Fowler at their best, I said that's because the rest of the team wasn't up to scratch, I think this team just about is, I think we need to strengthen on the wings, but put it this way, if we had an Owen or Fowler at their best in this team then we'd be a lot lot closer to Man Utd.

[tomasjj]

Like I said above Chilli - he wastes too many chances...

[ElRobbie]

See my comments here mate.... http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=10789

[Farside]

I don't like Crouch as a striker. 6ft8 and can't head a ball and has no pace but he is not the only striker we are having problems with. Kuyt seems to put in a lot off work without any end product. Saying that I have more faith in him than in Crouch. Sell Crouch while we still can get a decent price for him would make a lot of sense me thinks.