Fernando Torres

[G]

A degenerative knee problem which is resulting in his loss of pace. I read that today, apparently what Rafa told Roman when they spoke on the phone.

[baitman]

maybe the appointment of rafa is romans last throw of the dice to try and get something worthwhile from torres.

[McDermotX]

Bad knee eh ?

Always some excuse with this cunt.

[G]

Today I gathered some facts about Fernando’s current physical condition that I found very important and clarifying, and I thought some of you might as well. Most of this was already well known before today, but now there are bits of really insightful information that IMO allow us to understand his situation better.
I wrote it in chronological order to give it more clarity and tried to remain as objective as possible (I don’t know if I succeeded though).
What triggered this whole episode was the fact that Fernando went through a couple of knee injuries during 2009 and 2010 that left him on the sidelines for the most part of the season.
Guillem Balague and some other well-respected journalists, later revealed that during this period of time, Liverpool chose to give Fernando either false or incomplete information about the progress of his injuries, the only purpose of this being that he would play more, as he was the team’s most important and consistent player then, and the one who’d been single handedly winning matches for them.
Fernando got two knee surgeries in the space of four months during that same season, and during his rehabilitation process, he pushed himself to the limit to make it to the World Cup. A few weeks later, he got a call up from Del Bosque to go to South Africa.
Spain lost their first match against Switzerland (a match Fernando didn’t start), which made Del Bosque re-shape his plans, and he included Fernando in the starting eleven for the next game.
Fernando still had some nagging pain, but his desire to be fit and attitude through his rehabilitation process encouraged the Spain medical staff to give him the green light to play for the rest of the tournament. His performances weren’t good and Del Bosque dropped him in favour of Pedro.
He didn’t start in the final, but he played the extra time and got involved in the play that lead to Iniesta’s goal.
During the dying minutes of the match, Spain cleared a ball, which made Fernando sprint through the pitch, fall and get yet another painful groin injury. Shortly after that, the referee blew the final whistle and Spain became World Champions.
Liverpool sacked Rafa Benitez and appointed Roy Hodgson, but his poor run of results caused the owners to sack him as well and in came Kenny Dalglish. All of this happened between the summer of 2010 and January 2011.
On January 31th, Liverpool sold Fernando to Chelsea. He wanted to leave and (contrary to what’s been said by both the club and most media outlets), Liverpool wanted to sell him as well.
The Liverpool medical staff had known for a while that Fernando’s knee was still in a bad shape. The two surgeries he’d gone through and his rushed attempt to recover could prove to be fatal for him. But Liverpool firmly believed that if Chelsea were aware of that, they might not want to buy him anymore.
The last day of the transfer window arrived, and even though Fernando had voiced his desire to leave about three or four weeks before and handed in a transfer request shortly after, Liverpool only made it known to the public on January 29th, two days before deadline. Luis Suárez was close to signing for them and as the Fernando move was imminent, they lined up Andy Carroll as his replacement.
Torres arrived to Chelsea on the last day of the transfer window with a few minutes to go until midnight. A few journalists (such as Duncan Castles and Ben Jacobs) have stated that Fernando didn’t go through a complete medical at Chelsea as the clock was ticking and he had to sign his contract as soon as possible. So, Liverpool didn’t let Chelsea know about his condition, but Chelsea didn’t test him right away either, just concluded from very superficial scans that he was “lack of match fitness”.
After Fernando left to London, a Liverpool staff member said: “When Fernando left Melwood that day we were conscious of the possibility that he might come back”, because they didn’t even think he’d pass the medical at Chelsea. But as there was no full medical and Chelsea never learned about his condition that day, Fernando signed for them and stayed.
He arrived to London with a shot knee and to this day he hasn’t recovered from it. Liverpool knew this but chose to not disclose the information to Chelsea because they wanted to sell him and cash in while they could. Since then, Chelsea has found out about the problem, and hopefully has treated him accordingly. Earlier today, Ben Jacobs (who interviewed Rafa Benitez yesterday and talked about this situation with him), qualified Fernando’s injury as “degenerative”, and said the issue “has been apparent since before he moved from Liverpool, making that deal a fab bit of business”.
About eight days ago, Roman Abramovich called Rafa Benitez offering him the Chelsea job (way before the Juventus match took place), and Rafa accepted, but for obvious reasons, had to remain quiet about it. It is very likely that since then, the Chelsea medical staff has briefed him on Fernando’s situation (even though he already knew most of it because of their time together at Liverpool), as he told Jacobs that he knows about his condition in detail and that it’s the reason for his form and confidence issues.
So, these are the hard facts, and I’ve already stated my opinion on the matter several times on my blog today, so I will spare you from that. But in summary, Fernando was lied to and misinformed about possibly the single most important thing about his career by the very people he trusted to be honest to him about it, (which people knew about already because it’s been making the rounds since 2011 but it’s been made worse by the new information IMO). The Liverpool staff even thought he’d go back to Merseyside that same night on January 31th because they didn’t think he’d pass his medical at Chelsea.
I’ve seen some people refer to Fernando’s injury as either “degenerative” or “chronic”, like I mentioned above. It got to be that way because it wasn’t dealt with properly in the past. There was some negligence involved as LFC’s medical staff didn’t let Fernando know about the progress of his injury so he could play more, and because Fernando rushed his recovery so he could play at the World Cup. To this day, he’s still suffering the consequences from it. Both Chelsea and Benitez are aware of the situation now and are working for him to get better. Now, it’s worth saying that we can’t be sure if this injury is “degenerative” in the sense that it gets worse with the passing of time and that the damage that’s been done to his knee is irrevocable, or “degenerative” in the sense that he’ll have some relapses from time to time but he’ll still be able to keep on playing at a good level. Let’s hope for the latter of course, it’s the less horrifying possiblity.
And lastly, Fernando’s said several times before that there is a “truth” about the whole transfer and his last months at Liverpool that people don’t know about, that everything was not how it seemed/how it was portrayed, but that he doesn’t feel ready to talk about it just yet, though he might in the future when he’s not in the eye of the storm anymore. Well.
Here are some of the sources I took all of this from (though not all, because I’ve been reading about this since January 2011 and unfortunately I have lost some links, but here is the basic and most recent information): X (this article was tweeted today by Duncan Castles and it’s an excerpt from a larger article written by him on 2011, but you have to pay to see the whole thing so we’ll have to settle for this), X (about the non-existent medical), X (this one is only useful because it’s one of the articles where Balague says Liverpool lied to Fernando and it’s very recent, it’s in spanish though I translated most of it last week), and last but not least, X, Sid Lowe’s Feb. 2011 article about how there was more about the transfer than what it seemed at first glance (he mentions LFC’s twisting of facts during those last days of January). And the twitters of the journos I mentioned where a lot of the information is from: https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles and https://twitter.com/JacobsBen
Edit: I forgot to say. It’s is very likely that we still don’t know plenty of things about this situation, but this is what there is out there atm. And tbh I’m not sure if I want to know more, it’s sickening enough as it is right now.
Edit 2: Also, I’d completely understand any scepticism on the matter. I would doubt it all myself (wouldn’t look at it twice actually) if the information had had come from the likes of The Daily Fail, The Sun, or even The Mirror, and ofc from either Marca or AS. But the articles were all published in The Times, The National, The Guardian and Spain’s El Imparcial, and the journos are well-respected and usually very reliable. That was pm the only thing that made my head turn tbh. And not only most of the information is not new at all (as old as Feb. 2011), but Fernando’s alluded to most things here himself and Rafa Benitez confirmed them to Ben Jacobs just yesterday.

http://en-prosa.tumblr.com/post/36326276870/today-i-gathered-some-facts-about-fernandos

[Leyton388]

£50m for a a player with a dodgy knee? What a deal

[yamiedo]

£50m for a a player with a dodgy knee? What a deal

Aye, it was a great deal, until we bought a 35m player with dodgy feet. JK (<3 Carroll no 9)

[Fivex]

They might as well have bought Ba for the equivalent of a Torres collar-bone.

One thing that doesn't make sense though - Rafa would have been implicated smack-bang in the middle of this so called cover-up. He would have been the person who ultimately made the decision to keep it from Torres. So whilst I'm not disagreeing that we screwed Chelsea over good and proper, I'm not convinced that this story is completely accurate.

[jono]

Aye, it was a great deal, until we bought a 35m player with dodgy feet. JK (<3 Carroll no 9)

If the article is true then that's what annoys me the most. We were under the impression that Carroll was due to a mad scramble at the end of the window to get in a replacement. Now we find out that the club had a bit more time then we otherwise thought and blew the money on Carroll.

50M received on a player with a dodgy knee is brilliant, 35M on Carroll.... not looking too good now is it?

[yamiedo]

If the article is true then that's what annoys me the most. We were under the impression that Carroll was due to a mad scramble at the end of the window to get in a replacement. Now we find out that the club had a bit more time then we otherwise thought and blew the money on Carroll.

50M received on a player with a dodgy knee is brilliant, 35M on Carroll.... not looking too good now is it?

Exactly what I was thinking when I read it mate

[yamiedo]

They might as well have bought Ba for the equivalent of a Torres collar-bone.

One thing that doesn't make sense though - Rafa would have been implicated smack-bang in the middle of this so called cover-up. He would have been the person who ultimately made the decision to keep it from Torres. So whilst I'm not disagreeing that we screwed Chelsea over good and proper, I'm not convinced that this story is completely accurate.

I see what you mean. When I read it I considered this but then I was thinking about Torres' words to the press. When he said there was something Liverpool fans didn't know, that we would find out the truth. Everybody scoffed when he said that but maybe, just maybe he was talking about this? Now I'm no conspiracy theorist but there might be something to this one.

[Daniel 7]

Kenny talks Torres

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/why-chelsea-striker-fernando-torres-needs-1452933

Sport Football News Fernando Torres
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Kenny Dalglish
KENNNY DAGLISH COLUMN
Man in the mirror: Why Fernando Torres needs to take a long, hard look at himself

24 Nov 2012 07:30
Also in this week's Kenny Dalglish column: The timing of Mark Hughes' sacking was ridiculous and the PM needs to prove his Hillsborough speech was genuine


Dejected: Torres isn't the same player he once was
Michael Regan
So much of the decision-making process surrounding the Chelsea manager's job seems to have centred on the enigma that is Fernando Torres.

There is an argument to suggest that Roberto Di Matteo's unfortunate departure was massively influenced by the form of the striker...and if I were Nando, then I think that means it's time to take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

Let's not hide from the fact, he is not the player right now he was in 2010. The Chelsea version of Fernando Torres is not the same striker who played at Liverpool.

Why? Well it has always seemed to be somebody else's fault. Fernando doesn't look as if he's even enjoying what he's doing any more, and I think he's got to look hard at himself for the reasons why.

From what I've seen, people have tried to help him, he's had the support and he's had the backing. Everybody else seems to be trying to help him, but in football there comes a time when you have to help yourself.

It can't always be somebody else's fault. Torres had an amazing talent at Liverpool and I believe he's a much better player than he has shown at Chelsea. If it's still there, then ultimately he's the only one who can find it.

Burden: Torres was probably instrumental in Di Matteo losing his job
Yes, there are other factors in his amazing form at Anfield. I've no doubt Rafa Benitez played a huge part in the success he had at Liverpool, and so did a guy called Steven Gerrard, who offered the incredible supply Torres could thrive on.

Even though Fernando had already made the decision to leave by the time I arrived back as manager of Liverpool, I knew him well, after meeting him several times. I had a dinner with him that was filmed by Spanish TV, with Michael Robinson, Graeme Souness, wee Sammy Lee and I think Jockey Hansen.

He was such a nice kid, so respectful and humble towards the history and tradition of Liverpool, and even when he left he showed the same respect, so I don't know what happened with him at Chelsea where he seems so out of love with the game.

I think it could be mental with him. It doesn't matter how talented you are, when your confidence is shot you're not the same player.

The good news for him, is Rafa is the perfect manager to squeeze the best out of him. He's the man who had the faith to bring him to the Premier League, and for me he is a great appointment for Chelsea - the best qualified of anyone available.]

I feel for Roberto Di Matteo because he achieved something incredible in winning the Champions' League and FA Cup, but maybe it was time for him to go, and if so, then the arrival of Benitez has to be the moment of truth for Fernando Torres.

[Shaggy]

Re that blog post - I don't believe that we gave him incomplete or false info about his injury. As if. He missed plenty of games and Rafa was very careful with him, substituting him (to howls of derision from the media and many fans). There's no way we'd treat him like that, surely.

[G]

He's hardly missed a game through injury since he went there either.

I think the king was correct in his assessment today.

[RedReet]

Kenny

Rafa

Re that blog post - I don't believe that we gave him incomplete or false info about his injury. As if. He missed plenty of games and Rafa was very careful with him, substituting him (to howls of derision from the media and many fans). There's no way we'd treat him like that, surely.

[Muddled]

That blog post reads of pure bollocks.

No *way* would they sanction fifty MILLION pounds without him undergoing a medical.

I think there is an element of truth in us rushing him back from injury, but I think that's more common knowledge (as in, it's been leaked from memory) and not some bloke writing about 'facts' out of the blue.