Fernando Torres

[barnes10]

ermm no lads. i dont...

[dww]

"It's not as if I was the first to leave the club in the last few years. Look at Alonso, Mascherano, Arbeloa, Riera, Benitez. Some 20 or 30 left, all to improve themselves."

Absolute **** and implies we are a sinking ship that everyone wants to leave. Half those he mentioned (amongst the bull**** 20-30) were ****, sacked or used as part of a transfer. I didn't like him for the Chelsea move but now I'm starting to hate him and the paranoia in me is thinking that Chelsea PR are doing their best to use him to lower our reputation and raise theirs. ****ing cock.

I think his point is that the chaos of the last few years has had an impact on players and staff. Which seems pretty undeniable. I get the impression that if he felt that it was professionally viable he would have stayed with us. We have to accept that our stock as a place to be for a top level footballer (or coach/manager) has gone down in recent years and we need to rebuild that.

[Baracus]

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news...cle713810.html


Torres: Chelsea move proves my loyalty to Liverpool

I would love to just say STFU to him. Go away, you annoying C*** in a cockney voice

[dom9]

I'm already over my hatred for him. I don't hate him. I can't hate him. I think he's a bit mixed up really.

"The first few weeks were not easy for me. I do not know London, have spent time looking for somewhere to live and it's all been a bit of a mess"

[dom9]

Can someone go onto a Chelsea forum and find you what the Chavs all think of him please?

I'm too lazy.

[Angryred]

I'm starting to treat him with contempt & pity in a funny way as he seems to be regretting his move to Chelsea as he knows that he won't get a move to Barca or elsewhere now what with his transfer fee & wages.
Delighted he hasn't scored yet, more so against us..."my destiny to score against Liverpool" really fell flat for him & getting beat!
Anyhow, what's the odds that the cunt gets badly injured when he manages to score his first goal then?

[Exiled_red]

I think his point is that the chaos of the last few years has had an impact on players and staff. Which seems pretty undeniable. I get the impression that if he felt that it was professionally viable he would have stayed with us. We have to accept that our stock as a place to be for a top level footballer (or coach/manager) has gone down in recent years and we need to rebuild that.

That's true, the club was (and perhaps still is) a mess and there are things that need addressing over the next few years to get us back to where we should be. You can't blame him for wanting to leave in those circumstances but the list of people he named I wouldn't say they all left to improve themselves. Alonso and Mascherano fair enough, Arbeloa was homesick supposedly, Riera was kicked out and Benitez was sacked.

[badpiggy]

I'm already over my hatred for him. I don't hate him. I can't hate him. I think he's a bit mixed up really.

I thought this too...

i still hate the cunt - i'm not that bothered about the football side of things

He, whilst still a top class striker, looks almost shot on a football pitch and wasn't interested in playing for us....and suprisingly doesn't look that interested in playing for chelsea - and for us, we have signed two different types of strikers that are younger and look hungry


It's off the field that has ****ed me off and is why i don't want this cunt to succeed

Just ****ing shut up u cunt - Everyone in the world could see liverpool had issues and were going through changes, because of what happened with Hicks and Gillette - so we don't need this cunt telling everyone like it was some big secret

Plus he is doing his best to belittle Liverpool and big Chelsea - trying to make us feel guilty, etc **** off nando....

i'd have had more respect for him, if he'd gone to chelsea, got his head down, kept his mouth shut, worked hard, scored goals, won them two or three leagues on the trot and maybe a champions league and then turned round and said.....look this is why i left...I've won things etc

He's talking like he has achieved something by moving to chelsea - but they haven't won **** all yet - and whats worse, he has had one shot on target in 5 games, and has been as been as **** for them as he has for us........if he'd gone there and really been on fire then fair enough - but he has done nothing, achieved nothing and shown nothing.

I've never wanted a footballer to fall flat on his face as much as I do torres -

...but then i read this. **** you Nando you ****in workshy malingering mimsy Key line - "He's talking like he has achieved something by moving to Chelsea" - backotha****inet PTP Totally trying to convince himself he's done the right thing. Save it for your overpriced shrink that gets hired to sort out your missus-boned-by-Terry-related impotence.

[PTP]

he will eventually score goals for chelsea. He will more, than likely score some class goals, and he will also score some important goals for him - but he'll never find that electric pace and form that saw him burst onto the scene and rip up the premiership......He is a few years older and injuries have clearly taken it's toll - The last 12 months, even the handful of times were everyone was saying "he's back" - he still was lacking that something special which he first shown and i just can't seem getting that back - he is a top striker, but there was a period where, he was clearly the standout striker in the world, no arguements, streets ahead of anyone and many people even felt he was in the top 5 players in the world - He'll never get back to that - now he is just part of a group of very good strikers around the world but nothing stand out special

I'd ****ing love it he struggled the rest of the season - won nothing with chelsea, got injured, chelsea started to fall a part a bit and we went on a bit of spend in the summer and come next season were proper title challengers and chelsea also rans!!!

I'd ****ing piss myself laughing at the cunt.

[PTP]

ok - from cfc net - chelsea forums

some comments

I don't have a problem with his lack of goals as once he gets his 1st touch sorted they will surely come - his movement is excellent and our midfield , other strikers have to get used to it and pass, move accordingly

What I have a problem with is his attitude , 1st one up the tunnel after the Blackpool game and didn't chase a chaseable ball in the 2nd half and looked thoroughly fed up - it's all about him it would appear

I am surprised more hasn't been made of him going up the tunnel while the rest of the team came to applaud the fans on Monday. It certainly didn't escape my attention, you would think with the amount his name gets sung and him not playing at full tilt at the moment he would recognise this and want to keep the fans sweet.

in response to someone saying why they feel torres hasn't applauded their fans

Agreed. Awkward is the word. Embarrased might be another one. Seems like many Chelsea fans are happy with his performances and "movement" (there's that word again),but I'm pretty sure Torres is upset and devastated at the way things have gone.

In response to someone claiming they should look at the midfield supply before blaming torres

And are you honestly satisfied, that we have paid 50 mill for a player whose main attribute at present is to create space for Kalou ?

But Torres has been pretty bad playing with others up front, going back to Spain's euro win. Anelka is not consistent enough for Chelsea to rely on next year as Torres' main strike partner.

I'm quite worried as to how we've changed our set up for one player. How about giving Anelka and Drogba a start and Torres on the bench.

[PTP]

dont object to the goodwill will and patience being shown to Torres, I just wish that I had some of it. To this post I would reply "we dont have time". I'll say it again (read my lips) "WE DONT HAVE TIME !!" . Our season is defined in the next few games . For whatever reason he has tepararily lost it and no-one on this thread can convince me they know when its coming back ; next game, next month, next season ?

Was anyone else a little embarrased when Kalou of all people came on, and next to Torres looked world class ?

Drop him Carlo, just drop him. His time will be another day and another season (maybe).

Look, if he bangs in a hat trick against Citeh myself and probably the Good Doctor will be screaming with joy as loud as anyone out there. I will also print off all my posts and eat them live on air and they will taste good. But it aint gonna happen my friends. I wouldnt put a hat trick past Drogba-I wouldnt put it past Anelka- I wouldnt put it past Sturridge if he were still here-- and good God I wouldnt put past Kalou when he comes on as sub.
But right now I would put it past Fernando. Sorry.

[PTP]

finally - post of the year

I think it's you that needs to stop there, not the comparisons, for if it's the age that's the difference, as you say, I think you'll find there's not much difference.

Sheva was 29 when he signed for us, Torres will be 27 in about a week.

Not quite the big age gap you envisaged?

It's not just age that makes comparisons inevitable, there are far more similarities than differences.

They are similar players, far more similar than Torres and Drogba.

Drogba was signed a few months younger than Torres but he was a late developer, meaning he peaked later in his career, and he's a totally different physical specimen, not to mention a totally different centre-forward.

Drogba is actually a freak of nature, anyone that goes to games will know this.

He is phenomenally strong.

Shevchenko is more the model for Torres, I'm sure you'll agree.

Roman fancied Shevchenko, much as he fancied Torres.

See the similarities?

Shevchenko had suffered injuries, so has Torres.

Are you getting warmer?

Shevchenko had forged his reputation elsewhere, his reputation as a world great.

Are you feeling the heat?

He was a shadow of the player he was.

We bought a player on the way down, which is what we've done with Torres.

No-one can tell me he's replicated his form of 2008.

For £50m you buy someone on the way up.

Call me old-fashioned.

I told Roman to wait and let Torres prove he's back to his best.

Roman ignored me.

Roman punted and hoped, but it wasn't a punt based on any certainty.

Rather it was a punt based on memory.

People will say he's scored goals.

Lots of players have scored goals.

Darren Bent has scored goals.

All those goals you see flying in every week, someone is scoring them.

If someone's going to come in for £50m, be amongst our highest earners, be a certain starter regardless of form, threaten the places of our established strikers, strikers who have won a hell of a lot of medals at the club...

I want him to be a hell of a lot better than Darren Bent.

After all, don't forget, Torres is our future.

He's not going anywhere in a hurry.

We've staked a lot of our future on his shoulders.

He's 27 nearly.

We ain't bought him to acclimatise slowly.

We bought him because we presumed he had already acclimatised.

We bought him because we didn't think he would need to acclimatise, just as we did Shevchenko.

Occasionally Sheva would sparkle, we'd see a glimpse of magic, he'd score a goal.

I've no doubt that will happen with Torres, and I've no doubt it will cause a wave of elation.

We'd all hope the old Shevchenko had returned.

We were waiting in vain.

Something had gone.

It had gone.

He wasn't going to enhance his reputation with us, which is sort of why you smash the British transfer record.

Will Torres enhance his reputation with us, if you were a betting man?

If you had to bet your mortgage either way?

A fool and his money are soon parted, so the saying goes.

I'm afraid I'd keep my money stashed away.

You want to talk about age, okay, let's talk about it.

In about a year Torres will be 28.

His type, that's his physical peak.

He won't be getting any faster and he won't be getting any stronger, he'll be relying on other things.

As I said he's not a Drogba.

He'll be getting near 30.

This is next year.

Drogba's best years were at Chelsea.

Drogba enhanced his reputation at Chelsea.

Will Torres prove to be half as good, or will he forever be remembered for his feats at his previous club, like Shevchenko?

That's up to Torres, he can start proving me wrong.

Nobody's stopping him going out and having a blinder.

A real blinder.

Like Suarez on Sunday.

Until then let's stop banging on about service and formations and the fact Benayoun is missing and all these other pathetic excuses.

I didn't see any of these excuses for Sturridge.

Since when did Benyoun become the Messiah?

I'll remind you what happened with Sheva...

All the fanboys raved, they wet their pants, they got his name printed on their back.

A few sage voices uttered caution.

They were shot down in flames.

The fanboys were irate.

Slowly but surely the fanboys quietened, and the dissenting voices grew, until it became clear Roman had ****ed-up.

One or two fanboys still persisted, insisting Sheva was playing well, insisting it would all come good.

Sheva had passed his peak, he was on the way down, he was never going to be the Sheva of old.

When the Torres of old turns up let me know.

Until then...

Sshh.

Thus far Torres has done nothing to shout about.

[Tee]

Top post that. Spot on as well. Torres is Shevchenko Mark II.

[dww]

That's true, the club was (and perhaps still is) a mess and there are things that need addressing over the next few years to get us back to where we should be. You can't blame him for wanting to leave in those circumstances but the list of people he named I wouldn't say they all left to improve themselves. Alonso and Mascherano fair enough, Arbeloa was homesick supposedly, Riera was kicked out and Benitez was sacked.

I took it more as a list of people he missed. I think it is reasonable to say that we don't know if Arbeloa went as he was homesick or that is a nicer way of saying I think Real is a bigger club without offending anyone. The last two are odd additions but they are clearly the people he thought were important for him at LFC (and perhaps he knows more about the Rafa situation behind the scenes than we do).

[mick the click]

finally - post of the year

Almost poetic, isn't it?