Brendan Rodgers

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That's how it was reported but it's not what he said and I'm not convinced it's what he meant.

I would certainly hope it was misinterpreted, if it wasn't then it just compounds the fact that the man is a little bit dim.

[RichC]

oh yeah i always say the yanks are useless don't i

your quick to ban people

Ha ha no I'm not although I've not banned anyone for some time

[Neil Young]

I would certainly hope it was misinterpreted, if it wasn't then it just compounds the fact that the man is a little bit dim.

Have you actually read what he said?

[Mattshark]

I think with the players we've got we shouldn't be shipping in goals at the alarming rate we have been doing. You can't just lay all blame on the players for shipping in two goals 13 times this season. We've never looked this bad defensively imo. You've got to look at the tactics and system being implemented. Look at Rafa, he developed us in stages as he realised we didn't have the players right away to play the system he wanted. This for me is what Rodgers should be doing. Clearly, if he had the players to fit his system we'd all be happy because it's a system that will work with quality players. I can see why he wants to do every thing straight away but it's obvious that he doesn't have the resources and will take two to three more windows to get it right.

For me Rodgers needs to go back to the basics and make us very difficult to beat and as he gradually brings in the players he sees fit he can then move the team forward to playing the systen he ultimately wants achieve. At the moment we are all over the place when we don't have the ball. The lack of closing down as a unit is plain to see. Poor Lucas is being dragged every way. Having said all of that getting rid of him now is just stupid imo. I can definitely see what Rodgers is trying to achieve, he just needs to stop being so naive and tweak his system to suit the players he's got.

It is pointless comparing the squad Rafa started with compared to ours now. We are far, far weaker.

We can't score enough, that exasperates our defensive issues. Lucas has barely played and is not fully match fit. We can't sort our defence IMO till we can improve our weak midfield.

[G]

I think with the players we've got we shouldn't be shipping in goals at the alarming rate we have been doing. You can't just lay all blame on the players for shipping in two goals 13 times this season. We've never looked this bad defensively imo. You've got to look at the tactics and system being implemented. Look at Rafa, he developed us in stages as he realised we didn't have the players right away to play the system he wanted. This for me is what Rodgers should be doing. Clearly, if he had the players to fit his system we'd all be happy because it's a system that will work with quality players. I can see why he wants to do every thing straight away but it's obvious that he doesn't have the resources and will take two to three more windows to get it right.

For me Rodgers needs to go back to the basics and make us very difficult to beat and as he gradually brings in the players he sees fit he can then move the team forward to playing the systen he ultimately wants achieve achieve. At the moment we are all over the place when we don't have the ball. The lack of closing down as a unit is plain to see. Poor Lucas is being dragged every where. Having said all of that getting rid of him now is just stupid imo. I can definitely see what Rodgers is trying to achieve, he just needs to stop being so naive and tweak his system to suit the players he's got.

And if he doesn't?

[Neil Young]

And if he doesn't?

I will break him.

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They are better in some ways yes. There isn't a huge difference, especially in terms of forward players where we are weak.

All those sides can only dream of players like Reina, Gerrard, Agger, Johnson, Lucas, Sterling, Sahin, Suarez, hell, even Downing and Carroll. Far too many excuses being made for the current state.

There has been no marked improvement in this side in 6 months and thats inexcusable. The only consistency is our inconsistence. Yes, we may keep the ball a little longer, but the game of football is about scoring goals and not conceding, and he's taken us backwards on both fronts.

All this talk from people about getting a partner for Suarez is rubbish too. We simply need to be scoring more goals from midfield, but that hasn't/isn't being addressed at all.

He's out of his depth, its the footballing equivalent of the emperor's new clothes. Listening to some people you'd think Brendan was handed a load of couch potatoes and given the task of turning them into black belts in 4 weeks.

[Neil Young]

I will break him.

And as if on cue...

[marcus50bucks]

It is pointless comparing the squad Rafa started with compared to ours now. We are far, far weaker.

We can't score enough, that exasperates our defensive issues. Lucas has barely played and is not fully match fit. We can't sort our defence IMO till we can improve our weak midfield.

The point I am trying to make is Rafa developed us in phases and showed that he is pragmatic. I don't see this with Rodgers. For me it looks like he has his heart set on playing his way no matter what players he has. In hindsight it makes sense but why not make changes until you have the players you want that are suited to the way you want to play? Without the ball we do not look organised as a unit. We have no shape. Now you can continually blame the players but there comes a time when Rodgers has to take responsiblity. Keeping Shelvey on the pitch was just plain stupid and I've yet to see anyone come up with a compelling arguement to support Shelvey getting a full 90. He was absolutely awful.

[marcus50bucks]

And if he doesn't?

Then we'll continue to ship in goals.

[Mattshark]

All those sides can only dream of players like Reina, Gerrard, Agger, Johnson, Lucas, Sterling, Sahin, Suarez, hell, even Downing and Carroll. Far too many excuses being made for the current state.

There has been no marked improvement in this side in 6 months and thats inexcusable. The only consistency is our inconsistence. Yes, we may keep the ball a little longer, but the game of football is about scoring goals and not conceding, and he's taken us backwards on both fronts.

All this talk from people about getting a partner for Suarez is rubbish too. We simply need to be scoring more goals from midfield, but that hasn't/isn't being addressed at all.

He's out of his depth, its the footballing equivalent of the emperor's new clothes. Listening to some people you'd think Brendan was handed a load of couch potatoes and given the task of turning them into black belts in 4 weeks.

Sahin and Lucas have barely played, our back four has had to switch around a few times, sterling is very raw still and probably not ready for being a starter and Suarez is our only regular starter. Not to mention a change on playing system. Downing and Carroll are mid table players at best.

There is clearly an improvement from Kenny's last 19 games to Brendan's first 19. The points taken shows that rather clearly.

You over estimate our squad.

[Mattshark]

The point I am trying to make is Rafa developed us in phases and showed that he is pragmatic. I don't see this with Rodgers. For me it looks like he has his heart set on playing his way no matter what players he has. In hindsight it makes sense but why not make changes until you have the players you want that are suited to the way you want to play? Without the ball we do not look organised as a unit. We have no shape. Now you can continually blame the players but there comes a time when Rodgers has to take responsiblity. Keeping Shelvey on the pitch was just plain stupid and I've yet to see anyone come up with a compelling arguement to support Shelvey getting a full 90. He was absolutely awful.

But we have improved from how Kenny left us.

Suso you can understand, Downing was less involved than Shelvey and Lucas still lacks match fitness otherwise I feel Shelvey would ha be come off.

[fred_plasticine]

All those sides can only dream of players like Reina, Gerrard, Agger, Johnson, Lucas, Sterling, Sahin, Suarez, hell, even Downing and Carroll. Far too many excuses being made for the current state.

There has been no marked improvement in this side in 6 months and thats inexcusable. The only consistency is our inconsistence. Yes, we may keep the ball a little longer, but the game of football is about scoring goals and not conceding, and he's taken us backwards on both fronts.

All this talk from people about getting a partner for Suarez is rubbish too. We simply need to be scoring more goals from midfield, but that hasn't/isn't being addressed at all.

He's out of his depth, its the footballing equivalent of the emperor's new clothes. Listening to some people you'd think Brendan was handed a load of couch potatoes and given the task of turning them into black belts in 4 weeks.

taken us backwards? mate, we've been **** ever since finishing 2nd.
the football in rafa's last season, under uncle roy and in kenny's full season was dreadful. rubbish. we are where are because it's where we truly stand at the moment. don't overrate our squad but don't underrate what others have got. we've changed management at chelsea's rate and everytime it's completely different to what it was before.

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Then we'll continue to ship in goals.

But would you argue that we should still give him even more time?

I think we could and should be doing better with what we have,so if that doesn't change I'd be worried.

[marcus50bucks]

But we have improved from how Kenny left us.

Suso you can understand, Downing was less involved than Shelvey and Lucas still lacks match fitness otherwise I feel Shelvey would ha be come off.

Are you suggesting then that with the players we have there is nothing Rodgers can do to stop us conceding goals on a regular basis like we have been doing all season? In fact Matt I'm interested to know if you think Rodgers is blameless in all of this because that's exactly how you've come across.