Mamadou Sakho

[Daniel 7]

[QUOTE=Jaco_Pastorious;3327348]Balotelli moved three times for fees in and around that number despite many issue.


Suarez, despite his crazy level of talent, went for massive money despite well publicized issues.QUOTE]

You're listing players there with maverick capabilities and the ability to make game changing differences in the blink of an eye. They have a spark about them that people have always wanted to take a risk on. That's not really what you're after in a defender - you want reliability and consistency, someone who will play for long spells and not be troubled by injury and absence. That's the polar opposite of Sakho's record over the last couple of years.

And if Suarez hadn't gone all cannibal in the World Cup, the club would have been dictating the price, and it would have been way higher.

[Doc_Piptorious]

[quote=Daniel 7;3327574]

Balotelli moved three times for fees in and around that number despite many issue.


Suarez, despite his crazy level of talent, went for massive money despite well publicized issues.QUOTE]

You're listing players there with maverick capabilities and the ability to make game changing differences in the blink of an eye. They have a spark about them that people have always wanted to take a risk on. That's not really what you're after in a defender - you want reliability and consistency, someone who will play for long spells and not be troubled by injury and absence. That's the polar opposite of Sakho's record over the last couple of years.

And if Suarez hadn't gone all cannibal in the World Cup, the club would have been dictating the price, and it would have been way higher.

Balotelli was **** on the pitch and often a trouble magnet off of it. He certainly was not a regular game changer with a spark about him. And he was **** for a number of season and at a number of clubs.

And he managed to move for fairly big money three times in a row. Christ we paid £16m for him after he had been rubbish in a weaker league.

Sakho has far more good performances under his belt in recent years, and at a higher level, than Balotelli.


But if we are only to comapre him to his peers then no way should Sakho be sold for small money imho. Full French international, talented player, some issues (but hardly massive or unusual ones by footballer standards), and certainly not an inferior player when compared to the likes of Stones, Mangala, Otamendi, Bailly, and David Luiz who all cost more than the £20m mark.


Even guys like Lescott were going for more than £20m before the league became as money saturated as it is now.

Ashely Williams heading towards the end of his career went for £12m in the summer.

The very least we should be looking for Sakho is what we paid for him, and we should really be looking for a few million on top of that.

[red g]

Maybe, I reckon Moneybags Everton might be in for him.

[RedReet]

Offer Southampton him + £20m for VVD.

I'm happy with our CB options at the minute, but i do think a VVD/Matip partnership would be excellent for us. Those extra couple of inches at the back would also make a big difference defending set-pieces.

[Daniel 7]

But if we are only to comapre him to his peers then no way should Sakho be sold for small money imho. Full French international, talented player, some issues (but hardly massive or unusual ones by footballer standards), and certainly not an inferior player when compared to the likes of Stones, Mangala, Otamendi, Bailly, and David Luiz who all cost more than the £20m mark.


Even guys like Lescott were going for more than £20m before the league became as money saturated as it is now.

Ashely Williams heading towards the end of his career went for £12m in the summer.

The very least we should be looking for Sakho is what we paid for him, and we should really be looking for a few million on top of that.

Yep, I agree he's no worse than those players, and better than most of them but each case has to be taken in isolation

Stones Mangala, Lescott, Otamendi - Man City, desperate moneybags team, price inflation. With Stones, add in the English premium.

David Luiz - Money Laundering. Some kind of weird agreement between them and PSG. It has to be! He's rubbish!

Williams - £12m in an inflated market, off the back of a good Euros

None of those players have been effectively sacked twice by their consecutive clubs. I'm not saying that Sakho isn't worth £20m on talent alone, he clearly is - but the facts are he's a huge risk for any club because he's injury prone, erratic, immature, has been isolated by his employer and has weight issues.

Also, he has been tainted by the drugs association. It all affects value. Unless the club pull off a bigger masterstroke than getting £15m for Jordon Ibe, I can't see them recouping that transfer fee.

[Cormack74]

I really think he is - specialising in quick passing that sets things in motion. They are both good but to me Sakho feels more incisive.

Have a trawl round You Tube and take a look at JM playing in the Bundeslegia. Some of his passing into and through midfield is some way above anything Sakho is capable of.

Perhaps he hasn't shown that level for us yet (or hasn't had to) but he's a proper footballer not just a defender who can fizz the ball into someone standing 20 yards ahead of him.

[Charly]

I dont think Sakho is a good passer of the ball. Its not just direction but weighting too. Sakho's fizzy technique is not something im comfortable with.

I feel (like Lucas) he is liable to play it to an opposition player at some stage during a game. Centre backs dont need to play anything other than simple passes. Fair enough if they can bring it out, but those sorts of players are rare as they tend to get played further forward.

Matip looks like the real deal... but then is he not a converted midfielder?

[wongers]

don't think he's that good to be honest but if john stones is worth 50 mill. i'm sure we can at least get our money back on jimi traore mark two

[Doc_Piptorious]

I dont think Sakho is a good passer of the ball. Its not just direction but weighting too. Sakho's fizzy technique is not something im comfortable with.

I feel (like Lucas) he is liable to play it to an opposition player at some stage during a game. Centre backs dont need to play anything other than simple passes. Fair enough if they can bring it out, but those sorts of players are rare as they tend to get played further forward.

Matip looks like the real deal... but then is he not a converted midfielder?

At youth level he played as both a DM and CB. Then when at Schalke he often was used as a stand in DM during his first couple of full seasons, but has been a CB almost entirely for the past three to four seasons before this one.


Would not put much stock in a CB being a converted midfielder though. It sounds good but the truth is a hell of a lot of players start out playing in a position that has little relation to what turns out to be their best position.


Take Carragher , he started as a forward then was a midfielder, before being used as a full back, and only after all that did he establish himself as a CB and I would not have regarded him as being unusually good in terms of passing etc.

[Charly]

My point was the better you are at passing, the further forward you tend to play, usually.

[Rich]

My point was the better you are at passing, the further forward you tend to play, usually.

Really? I don't agree with you in the slightest.

[Charly]

Lol... yeah... i get that a lot

[Kenneth]

[SB]

At youth level he played as both a DM and CB. Then when at Schalke he often was used as a stand in DM during his first couple of full seasons, but has been a CB almost entirely for the past three to four seasons before this one.


Would not put much stock in a CB being a converted midfielder though. It sounds good but the truth is a hell of a lot of players start out playing in a position that has little relation to what turns out to be their best position.


Take Carragher , he started as a forward then was a midfielder, before being used as a full back, and only after all that did he establish himself as a CB and I would not have regarded him as being unusually good in terms of passing etc.

not good at all most of the time if we're going to be honest.

[RedReet]

At youth level he played as both a DM and CB. Then when at Schalke he often was used as a stand in DM during his first couple of full seasons, but has been a CB almost entirely for the past three to four seasons before this one.


Would not put much stock in a CB being a converted midfielder though. It sounds good but the truth is a hell of a lot of players start out playing in a position that has little relation to what turns out to be their best position.


Take Carragher , he started as a forward then was a midfielder, before being used as a full back, and only after all that did he establish himself as a CB and I would not have regarded him as being unusually good in terms of passing etc.

Rafa signed Momo as a CF for Valencia.