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that is a brilliant analysis of what bobby is for this team.Comment
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Originally posted by S-RED View Post
removing all the weak links makes us stronger
too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.Comment
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It was an outstanding goal when you look at it back. I don't think anyone underestimates what Bobby brings to the side and the unselfishness of his game.
One thing though imo he needs to be getting on that scoresheet a bit more. In 17/18 he finished with 27 goals 17 assists in all comps. He's that good imo those are the numbers a player of his calibre should be getting. I do think he's been below par in 2020. Mad to think with his quality he hasn't scored in the last 10 league gamesComment
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Role has changed since Coutinho left & Mane has gone left field...become more effective for team even though the numbers don't add up.Nope, don't need anger management, you just need to stop pissing me off!Comment
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If Bobby doesn't score but we keep winning, then I'm happy! Hopefully Bobby is too!
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I think he has been below par compared to a couple of seasons ago. Problem is we dont really have a proper replacement for his role, and I am not sure Origi is really the answer. Qould be nice to see Minamino get a few minutes in there... Or maybe chuck Elliot in there with a full strength team around him. If not I think we should really bring someone else in, as we are so short of quality cover up front. It looks unambitious sticking with what we have. And a run of injuries could ruin a season without a reliable backup.
Admittedly, Bobby is a bit unique, and finding a suitable replacement, one that would be happy sitting on a bench might be impossible, and even more so a player that can cover the wider positions too... Although we are expecting Minamino to perform a similar job, so whom knows.In the beginning, Fowler created the Heaven and the Earth.Comment
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Bobby is unique as you say, but I think Minamino is the closest we have to a replacement/backup for him, not sure how effective he can be in Bobby's role, it requires a good understanding of what Mane and Salah does which I don't think he will have yet.Originally posted by Charly View PostThe only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.Comment
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A shape shift would be a good option but to paraphrase a cunt, klopp isnt for turning...Originally posted by Charly View Post
Id like to see a front four diamond, like:
------------------ Origi
Mane ------------ ----------- salah
--------------- minamino
---- fabino ------- henderson ----removing all the weak links makes us stronger
too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.Comment
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During an in-depth discussion with a staffer from Liverpool’s analysis team earlier this year, an enquiry was put forward: who counts as the club's most critical player on the pitch?
The expected answer was Virgil van Dijk, or alternatively, Alisson. Instead, without hesitation, ‘Roberto Firmino’ was the response.
“He is the system.” The analyst reasoned that while Liverpool believed they have the world’s best centre-back and goalkeeper, the team struggles to thrive in their identity the most when the Brazil international is unavailable.
Mohamed Salah’s numbers are spectacular, Sadio Mane’s all-round game is incredible and the full-backs are fulcrums, but still... “No-one operates between the lines like him, no-one recovers the ball as well for our transitions, no-one understands and manipulates space as well and his first thought is always what can he do to benefit a team-mate or serve the system.”
Perhaps that is why Jurgen Klopp rarely sounds more exasperated than when he is quizzed over Firmino’s goal tally. On Saturday evening, following a 1-1 draw with Burnley, the manager was asked whether the forward would be psychologically affected by not scoring a league goal at Anfield yet this season. He has only managed one on Liverpool’s turf across all competitions in the campaign - during the 3-2 Champions League defeat to Atletico Madrid in March.
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Roberto Firmino is yet to score at Anfield this season (PA)
“Bobby played today an outstanding game and we don't judge him,” Klopp said of the No 9, who created the most chances in the match. I hope he will not read your newspaper if you make a story of it because we just don’t think about it. It's not important who scores. We need Bobby for other things, we need Bobby in exactly the spaces where he was today, we need him as a link-up for all the other things.
“We only have chances in other positions because Bobby plays the way he plays. And he will score, there is absolutely no doubt about it. We are not worried at all about that because he played an outstanding game today and was involved in so many decisive situations.”
Klopp has been trying to underscore how “unbelievably valuable” Firmino is to Liverpool for years. During his first pre-season at the club, the German said: “People say he does not score enough. What?!
“He is the best player without scoring with how well he reads the game for the benefit of others. Outstanding! But then what if he starts thinking ‘oh, I need more goals’ and starts shooting from all over the place when usually, he would play a clever ball and make a run to open up the space?”
Two years ago, he reminded that the Brazilian “opens 5,000 gaps for everybody.”
Klopp describes Firmino as a "nine and a half" because his home is between the lines - residing exactly where defenders don't want him to.
His talent for dropping into his own half and mugging the man in possession to spark Liverpool attacks is unrivalled.
The way Firmino sees the game develop ahead of others and alters his movement to aid play is a marvel. He has vision, the capabilities to execute the simple and the sublime, most often making the right decision for the team at any time.
That would explain why when the backroom staff meet for drinks, there is a consistent talking point: 'Bobby Firmino... what a player!'
Apart from the important, often unquantifiable elements of the player's game, he has an impressive 130 goal contributions in 241 appearances for Liverpool, of which only two are from the penalty spot.
Firmino came close to erasing his home discomfort on Saturday, striking the post in the second half with a low diagonal after being slipped through by Salah.
Liverpool could have wrapped up the encounter in the opening 45, with the champions registering 23 shots in total at Anfield - the most in a league match they failed to win since December 2017. Nick Pope was inspired in Burnley’s goal, allowing his side the platform to steal a point from a set-piece as planned.
While Klopp admitted the draw felt like a defeat, Liverpool are still on course to secure the best points total in English top-flight history. And there will be no loss of sleep over Firmino’s haul at Anfield this season if he continues to be the thiever-in-chief and arch manipulator of space.
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To be fair his manager & team mates are hardly going to come out and say yeah ffs bobby needs to score more. Everyone knows his value to the team and what he does, but i think most will agree that he has been very wasteful in front of goal this season & for the quality that he has he should absolutely be scoring more goals.Comment
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He absolutely should be scoring more goals, 0 at Anfield this season is inexcusable regardless of his importance to the team.Originally posted by danperkins View Post
His role is not unique. Benzema performed a very similar role at Madrid when Ronaldo and to a lesser extent Bale required someone to facilitate them. He still had a much higher goal return, albeit he was a striker and Bobby more of a midfielder naturally.
You simply have to compare Bobby to himself, he's underperforming by his own standards this year. I'd even say his general performance have been under par a lot this season. He came back against Arsenal and put on a great cameo and then struggled for a number of week afterwards.
I love him, but don't be blinded by us winning the league, we're a fantastic team but he has been off it more than he has on it this season.Vive la FranceComment
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Originally posted by Robbie-9-Fowler View Post nail on the head stuff & precisely the reason I thought we were a shoe in to get Werner.
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