Jürgen Klopp

[vlahka]

His absolute orgasmic reaction to this was glorious. Wish I had a different vid as I suspect its blocked for half the people here like me.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12859766/watch-his-reaction-jurgen-klopp-loving-liverpools-press-in-the-92nd-minute

[Assassin]

Great to see him taking a hammy injury for the team

[Mark79]

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[Norbs]

They can do one

[wiw]

They can do one

Should have elbowed the 4th official instead, you're allowed to do that apparently

[Harv]

Should just responds with a high res photo of his arsehole.

and a note saying "kiss it"

[Paul12]

In my view Jurgen does not come out of this very well. Yes, emotions run high, yes some decisions seemed to go against us and yes he has apologised for some of what he said but:

+ You can't accuse a ref of bias, which is what he in effect did
+ You can't claim the ref said something unacceptable when all he seemingly said was in effect "I thought red but have been outvoted"
+ You shouldn't say the things he said about Mason.

It all feels a bit grubby.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Managers should just stop giving opinions when asked about fouls, controversial penalities/non penalities or any big ref or VAR decision.

Just give a basic "You need to ask the referee about that" every time and do not get drawn by any follow up questions. Just turn the post match interviews into dead air for the broadcasters.

Basically try to push a spotlight onto the need for refs to have to explain certain decisions.

The current system where a manager can get punished for commenting on what a ref says or does, and the ref then has to offer no proper tranparancey is a joke.

Rugby (and other sports) have shown just how well a VAR system can work and have shown just how well a system with a fully micced up ref (as in one everyone can hear) works.

Rugby also shows that refs are part of the game and part of making everything work rather than this them and us mentality that seems to be there with footy refs in the UK.

[Doc_Piptorious]

In my view Jurgen does not come out of this very well. Yes, emotions run high, yes some decisions seemed to go against us and yes he has apologised for some of what he said but:

+ You can't accuse a ref of bias, which is what he in effect did
+ You can't claim the ref said something unacceptable when all he seemingly said was in effect "I thought red but have been outvoted"
+ You shouldn't say the things he said about Mason.

It all feels a bit grubby.

Correct in all you say about Klopp there imo, however other managers go after fourth officials and refs in game with as much aggression as Klopp does and other managers do make comments post match about refs and about other managers.

The problem as I see it is that not every manager gets punished for it and it can be very hit and miss as to what is deemed as wrong doing (and Klopp has also benefitted from this lack of consistency as well as being punished)


The lack of transparency and consistency on the reffing side of things is a big issue as is the lack of consistency when it comes to how matters are dealt with.

As for what the ref said about the red and being outvoted. That's where refs being micced up would come into play as the tone of how something was said would be heard and it would then go a long way to backing up either the ref or manager.

[Tribute]

In my view Jurgen does not come out of this very well. Yes, emotions run high, yes some decisions seemed to go against us and yes he has apologised for some of what he said but:

+ You can't accuse a ref of bias, which is what he in effect did
+ You can't claim the ref said something unacceptable when all he seemingly said was in effect "I thought red but have been outvoted"
+ You shouldn't say the things he said about Mason.

It all feels a bit grubby.

Agree he shouldn't have approached or fronted up to the fourth official, but what Tierney said was out of order. He apparently didn't see the incident, yet tells Klopp it was going to be a red until the lino involved stepped in and said it was a yellow. That's predetermined bias from Tierney. He didn't see the incident yet immediately says he was going to give Klopp a red??! That's outrageous for a supposedly 'impartial' ref to have preconceived ideas about a red card for an incident he hadn't seen first or spoke to the lino about.

The wider issue is that the Ref's union simply mark their own homework and that's not on. They have internal investigations which come to nothing and are not overseen by any independent body or ombudsman to see that they are actually holding themselves to account properly. It's a massive farce and they sweep all kinds of bias and mistakes under the carpet on a regular basis.. it's a closed shop and they protect their own, even if evidence proves otherwise. Needs a root and branch review as the standard of refereeing in the PL and the massive inconsistencies including VAR is making the PL the worst refereed league in the world... Standards are on the floor. They should be mic'd up and be held accountable after the game to explain their decisions - plus an independent body should be reviewing every refs performance.

Sadly, it's never going to happen and decisions will just get worse and worse...

[Harv]

In my view Jurgen does not come out of this very well. Yes, emotions run high, yes some decisions seemed to go against us and yes he has apologised for some of what he said but:

+ You can't accuse a ref of bias, which is what he in effect did
+ You can't claim the ref said something unacceptable when all he seemingly said was in effect "I thought red but have been outvoted"
+ You shouldn't say the things he said about Mason.

It all feels a bit grubby.

Why cant you? When an official quite clearly has an agenda, someone needs to speak up on it, otherwise its just going to carry on. People in all walks of life get pulled up on things when they've ****ed up or are acting like ****s. What makes Premier League referees immune to criticism from the people their incompetence is affecting?

That 'head in the sand' mentality lets them constantly get away with being inept. Nobody questioning a thing they do. Carry on.

What did he say about Mason? I see nothing has been said about Mason going absolutely ape**** at the 4th official after our winner either BTW...

[Doc_Piptorious]

Why cant you? When an official quite clearly has an agenda, someone needs to speak up on it, otherwise its just going to carry on. People in all walks of life get pulled up on things when they've ****ed up or are acting like ****s. What makes Premier League referees immune to criticism from the people their incompetence is affecting?

That 'head in the sand' mentality lets them constantly get away with being inept. Nobody questioning a thing they do. Carry on.

What did he say about Mason? I see nothing has been said about Mason going absolutely ape**** at the 4th official after our winner either BTW...

Mason was shouting at officials a number of times during the game. That just gets glossed over.

Same with the likes of Pep shouting at officials and making snide comments during pressers.

[Paul12]

....What did he say about Mason? I see nothing has been said about Mason going absolutely ape**** at the 4th official after our winner either BTW...

If given a choice, who would you rather face...a ranting Klopp or a ranting Mason? My grandma wouldn't have an issue facing up to a ranting Mason but I don't think the SAS would fancy taking on a ranting Klopp!

[Fivex]

And that is the case for (unconscious, at least) bias from refs against Klopp.

[Doc_Piptorious]

If given a choice, who would you rather face...a ranting Klopp or a ranting Mason? My grandma wouldn't have an issue facing up to a ranting Mason but I don't think the SAS would fancy taking on a ranting Klopp!

And that is the case for (unconscious, at least) bias from refs against Klopp.

Yep, the rules and application of such should be consistent. If doing X warrants a yellow card, a red card or a fine or ban, then it should not matter who is doing it or how big or small they are, what nationality they are and so on.

But the same needs to apply on the side of the rule makers and rule enforcers. Proper and transparent explanations need to be given when a rule/law is applied and more importantly when one of their own rule/laws seems to be ignored or selectively applied.