Jürgen Klopp

[Nicey]

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[Harv]

Rodgers V2. Nice guy, but show us something different on the pitch where it counts please.

Good god. You're deluded.

You do realise he's trying to get Bodgers bunch of gutless wonders to play football and they've now mostly reverted to type don't you? Bar Sakho and Can, not one of them is up for a scrap or shows any sign of passion!

Klopp is a blessing on this club and you watch him bin the spineless ones first chance he gets.

[shanks69]

Good god. You're deluded.

You do realise he's trying to get Bodgers bunch of gutless wonders to play football and they've now mostly reverted to type don't you? Bar Sakho and Can, not one of them is up for a scrap or shows any sign of passion!

Klopp is a blessing on this club and you watch him bin the spineless ones first chance he gets.

[Fredo]

He needs to be given time. Unfortunately, we've been saying this for years and years and years. Patience will run thin at some point and he'll pack his bags. Can people be patient?

Even a league cup in Kenny 's second stint wasn't enough to save his job. I wish we would just accept that it's going to take a long time. Only Rafa has broken that mould over the last 25 years.

[Bender]

Needs at least 2 summer transfer windows imo

[RichC]

I think Klopp will be given some time, his record is very similar to that of Rafa when with Dortmund 2 league titles and a CL final appearance.

The squad he's currently inherited isn't necessarily bad but it doesn't appear to suit how he wants to play.

It'd be easier for him to really assess where we are and what we have with a pre season but you sort of feel this season is essentially a write off and judgement on who's going to be here next season and who he doesn't want will be made through this campaign.

It's going to be a long season for us fans I fear but hopefully with the knowledge/optimism. outlook that we've employed the right man to push us forwards.

[Phoenix07]

With Kenny, and with Rodgers, there was no plan or direction. Particularly Kenny, it was great to win a cup short-term, but then you were looking for foundations, and there weren't any.

As long as people see Klopp putting in the foundations and there are noticeable improvements, then I'm fine with it. As he said in his first press conference, it is time to reset.

Rafa slowly laid in the foundations, but as I said in the 'thinning the squad' thread, he already had the likes of Gerrard, Carragher, Hyypia, and could add Alonso to it during the summer.

Klopp will have the benefit of having managed us through almost a full season, without a pre-season or a full summer war chest to invest in players. From now until May, this is his time to see who can handle being a Liverpool player under Klopp's management, and who can't.

[npinn001]

I've become apathetic at our results. Must be as football will ruin my life. It will take 3 years to have us challenging again when Klopp starts his chopping and changing, providing he gets time and money, which is not a given.

Agree. And that's the rub. His contract is 3 years, who thinks he'll hang around if a top top club comes knocking just as he gets us playing...

[Rowan]

Good god. You're deluded.

You do realise he's trying to get Bodgers bunch of gutless wonders to play football and they've now mostly reverted to type don't you? Bar Sakho and Can, not one of them is up for a scrap or shows any sign of passion!

Klopp is a blessing on this club and you watch him bin the spineless ones first chance he gets.

I'd add Lovren to those looking up for a scrap of late but agree totally. Klopp must be looking at this squad and trying to work out where fits where. It's hugely imbalanced. Then to top it off our main, pacy wide threat is out jobbing in Turkey where he'd probably be in the team at the minute. Everything we've done between losing to Chelsea in 2014 and appointing Klopp has served to hugely weaken the team.

[The_weatherman]

If fans are expecting Klopp to just turn this squad, into a challenging squad with one January window and nothing else we have bigger problems than the squad. I've been hearing this bull**** around me, that maybe Klopp isn't the right man after all and we shouldnt have sacked Rodgers. **** me, look at unbalanced **** squad Rodgers left after spending 300 million! He should have been sacked a year ago, let alone last summer, he didn't have a clue where to take the ****ing club, it's was painfully obvous. Now we have a top manager in, coveted by most and he is taking stick after 17 games or so, with no pre-season and in one of the most competitive seasons I've seen. **** that.

[el matador]

With Kenny, and with Rodgers, there was no plan or direction. Particularly Kenny, it was great to win a cup short-term, but then you were looking for foundations, and there weren't any.

As long as people see Klopp putting in the foundations and there are noticeable improvements, then I'm fine with it. As he said in his first press conference, it is time to reset.

Rafa slowly laid in the foundations, but as I said in the 'thinning the squad' thread, he already had the likes of Gerrard, Carragher, Hyypia, and could add Alonso to it during the summer.

Klopp will have the benefit of having managed us through almost a full season, without a pre-season or a full summer war chest to invest in players. From now until May, this is his time to see who can handle being a Liverpool player under Klopp's management, and who can't.

Klopp has less inherited less world class talent than Kenny and Rodgers in this liverpool squad. He's got a better squad than those two did but less individuals with stellar talents.

Now he has to sign / develop those 3 or 4 talents this team needs to push on.

[G]

If fans are expecting Klopp to just turn this squad, into a challenging squad with one January window and nothing else we have bigger problems than the squad. I've been hearing this bull**** around me, that maybe Klopp isn't the right man after all and we shouldnt have sacked Rodgers. **** me, look at unbalanced **** squad Rodgers left after spending 300 million! He should have been sacked a year ago, let alone last summer, he didn't have a clue where to take the ****ing club, it's was painfully obvous. Now we have a top manager in, coveted by most and he is taking stick after 17 games or so, with no pre-season and in one of the most competitive seasons I've seen. **** that.

I honestly can't believe, those trolling aside, that anybody really thinks Rodgers needed more time. If they do they really should start watching a different sport.

As for one window fixing it, I don't think anybody thinks that either, but he needs to start getting busy now, he can't afford to do nothing in this window and crack on as we are. This league is **** and top 4 is there to be had if we sign some decent players.

[RichC]

Interesting article from http://anfieldindex.com/20227/liverp...mpatience.html

Liverpool’s Biggest Hurdle in 2016 is Impatience

It’s easy to look at the United fans with their radically pre-emptive Mourinho scarves, and their Sharpie covered kitchen-towl signs, and to forget that Liverpool fans can be pretty stupid too. Jurgen Klopp alluded to one element of the idiocy, or at least childish impatience, in Reds fans, when he said of Liverpool’s inconsistent performances that “of course, there are explanations for this, but nobody wants to hear these explanations”. There are swathes of football followers who you can rely on to form crude, over-simplified conclusions like clockwork. But, simplifying problems and solutions in such a messy sport like football is a terrible crime.

Football is only beautiful and fun in its difficulty and complexity, in its randomness, in its chaos. Football is ‘messy’, balls bounce of dodgy body parts, ricocheting like a pinball; goals are frequently the result of one of the countless mistakes made a game by either the players or the referees. The outcome of matches is decided not just on dominance over the pitch, but frequently on tough decisions, as well as the extremely difficult skill of finishing – you can dominate a game, have more chances in better areas, but often lose; upsets and unlikely results happen regularly. This is frustrating, but also why football is great.

The real fun in football only comes when you embrace the cacophony of action; as Liverpool fans we should know this better than most, having enjoyed Suarez, the ultimate agent of chaos, for three and a half years. And, at our helm now is Jurgen Klopp, who upon arrival talked about an intense heavy metal brand of football, and dragging down opponents to our level. It is not to say that Klopp does not have a plan, but it shows how he respects the complexity of football. Whereas a Guardiola might try and exert control, Klopp wants to be the architect of his opposition’s chaos.

One might think then that Liverpool fans over many would respect the natural complexity of football. This respect would hopefully manifest as a calm critical philosophy towards football, a patience that transcends flukes and extreme moments. This is anything but the case. After beating Manchester City, we were suddenly title contenders; after losing to Watford, Klopp was no better than Brendan Rodgers. Stupidity has infiltrated football, and it has taken the form of impatience and fickleness. Opinions are quickly formed and quickly lost, all at the expense of the long term future of the club.

The stupidity can make life very difficult for those people who are actually trying to win games for the teams –the manager and the players. Recently, Roberto Firmino has been the victim of this stupidity. We all want to understand the player that we have bought, but apparently this endeavour of curiosity ceases after about 15 appearances, when apparently we have sufficient information to form strong conclusions. Perhaps it is just superficial fickleness for those who are paid to form and write opinions quickly, but it is lazy and impatient for the legitimate fan and supporter to form such casual, sloppy and malleable opinions.

The product of our impatience is that we ignore Firmino’s fantastic seasons in the equally competitive Bundesliga; we ignore his Brazil caps; we ignore how he has moved from a tiny rural German town and a mid-table club to a huge urban conurbation like Liverpool and a club with global aspirations; we ignore his performance against Manchester City; we ignore how the equally average performances from his attacking peers. The only way that one can draw strong conclusions about a player from such a short amount of time is by deliberately overlooking an immense amount of context.

Unfortunately, many people can’t suspend their urge for instant feedback, their urge for instant success, enough at least to give new players an actual adequate chance. An example that we should learn from is Lazar Markovic, who’s loan to Fenerbache has to be one of the worst transfer moves in the last 5 years of terrible Liverpool transfers. After one slow season, we decided a 20 year old who is settling in to a new club and country should be shipped off to the other side of Europe, for another one season stint in a completely foreign club and country. There will inevitably be foolish expectations that Markovic will be magically settled at the club upon his return, as if spending a year away from a place that you weren’t settled him will somehow have settled him more. We need to nip this impatience in the bud.

The first article that I wrote for AnfieldIndex actually looked at Liverpool’s recent trend of extremely high player turnover, in which I asserted that patience with players is one of the keys to success – far more important than buying new ‘better’ players. Over the last 18 months (three transfer windows) an astounding 35 players have come or left the club. This is the most in the last 10 years of the club (the period that I researched), and I showed a correlation between high player turnover and low league performance. Not only would new players need time to settle in a new team, particularly if they come from abroad, but if the whole team is new then the time needed for all the players to settle is even longer. Patience breeds success in football; one squad of the same good players, playing together for a stable period over a few seasons will be obviously perform better than a squad of good players who get reworked and reshaped every summer.

Perhaps its symptomatic of a wider trend in modern football, but both employees of the club and Liverpool fans have had a contemporary history of fickle behaviour and impatience. The dilemma for Liverpool and Reds fans now is whether they have the patience to persist with their current crop of young players, even if it means no champions league football for another year or two. Because unless Liverpool go out this summer and limit themselves to a transfer window in which they just buy two or three elite players for key positions (extremely unlikely given our past record), we will probably find ourselves behind at least four rival clubs come next season.

Liverpool can however be positive about having a genuinely top class manager, and an incredibly young side that is crammed full of potential. The average age across the first team squad is 25.1 years old, the second youngest in the league; in a couple of years, this same squad can easily grow into one of the most formidable in England. If you look at the personnel, there is a complete absence of players of the optimum age for their position. There are obviously youngsters like Gomez, Ibe and Origi who have immense potential, but even current stars like Coutinho, Sakho, Henderson and Sturridge have age on their side. Liverpool have the making of an excellent team, but unfortunately the biggest hurdle to our own success could be our own impatience.

[Exiled_red]

I think Klopp will be given some time, his record is very similar to that of Rafa when with Dortmund 2 league titles and a CL final appearance.

The squad he's currently inherited isn't necessarily bad but it doesn't appear to suit how he wants to play.

It'd be easier for him to really assess where we are and what we have with a pre season but you sort of feel this season is essentially a write off and judgement on who's going to be here next season and who he doesn't want will be made through this campaign.

It's going to be a long season for us fans I fear but hopefully with the knowledge/optimism. outlook that we've employed the right man to push us forwards.

I think this squad is actually fairly moldable, it is just missing a few key ingredients - goals and some leadership of drive. I think if we can get the players in who the others can look at to make things happen then these players are capable of riding that wave. The problem is these types of players are difficult to find / expensive

[Cormack74]

Interesting article from http://anfieldindex.com/20227/liverp...mpatience.html

Quite a lot of sense in there especially the bit about Markovic.