Jürgen Klopp

[Exiled_red]

With Kenny, and with Rodgers, there was no plan or direction. Particularly Kenny, it was great to win a cup short-term, but then you were looking for foundations, and there weren't any.

As long as people see Klopp putting in the foundations and there are noticeable improvements, then I'm fine with it. As he said in his first press conference, it is time to reset.

Rafa slowly laid in the foundations, but as I said in the 'thinning the squad' thread, he already had the likes of Gerrard, Carragher, Hyypia, and could add Alonso to it during the summer.

Klopp will have the benefit of having managed us through almost a full season, without a pre-season or a full summer war chest to invest in players. From now until May, this is his time to see who can handle being a Liverpool player under Klopp's management, and who can't.

The selling off of players and underinvestment in the squad from Hicks and Gilette while Rafa was here was where it started, once Rafa left that was it, the appointment of Hodgson was a disaster and the squad that he left was awful. Kenny I think did have a plan, I just don't think it was the right one. Rodgers has improved the squad significantly in terms of quality of individual players but was no cohesive plan and we are left with a squad of players that isn't able to find a way of playing that suits everyone. Klopp needs to address the key areas, the problem is bringing in the players who will make a difference will be difficult for a side who almost certainly won't be in the CL and may not even be in the Europa leage next year.

[danperkins]

He's is saying that we are soft as ****e.... and he's right. Gutless, no leaders, we just give up too easy & everyone is waiting for somebody else to do something.

[Leyton388]

What we are seeing now is the full evolution of Rodgers team. In his time here he moved on the strong leaders in the squad and replaced them with players with no influence, experience or game intelligence.

It's no coincidence that Rodgers slowly moved influential out as imo he was scared of being questioned about his tactics and like last summer proved he blamed someone else and threw his coaching staff under a bus to save his own skin.

As good as Klopp is the fact that even he can't get a tune out of this squad says it all. Over £250m spent by Rodgers and we have a worse squad than when we were close to administration.

I only hope FSG back him and make money available. I'm sick to death of us wasting millions on either kids who never make it or overpriced premier league ****e.

[RichC]

What strong leaders did he move on ?

[Exiled_red]

What we are seeing now is the full evolution of Rodgers team. In his time here he moved on the strong leaders in the squad and replaced them with players with no influence, experience or game intelligence.

It's no coincidence that Rodgers slowly moved influential out as imo he was scared of being questioned about his tactics and like last summer proved he blamed someone else and threw his coaching staff under a bus to save his own skin.

As good as Klopp is the fact that even he can't get a tune out of this squad says it all. Over £250m spent by Rodgers and we have a worse squad than when we were close to administration.

I only hope FSG back him and make money available. I'm sick to death of us wasting millions on either kids who never make it or overpriced premier league ****e.

We have to be prepared to spend big on players who will come in and make an immediate impact which is something we haven't really done, the majority of the players who have been signed have been brought in as youngsters whose value would hopefully increase as they improve is this partly down to FSG?

Of the experienced players Rodgers has brought in (who could potentially be viewed as leaders) almost half have come in on a free (Toure and Milner) or haven't been good enough to claim a regular first team spot (Lovren, Lallana and Benteke), which problems with our recruitment and we don't seem to be targeting leaders in particular as despite Lallana being Southampton captain I'd say only Toure looks like a leader, but given he was signed as a 4th choice CB there's little chance for him to demonstrate it.

[Exiled_red]

What strong leaders did he move on ?

I would say that the following were strong leaders who left during his tenure:
Gerrard
Carragher
Suarez
Agger
Kuyt
Bellamy

Not all were his decision to actively move on but their leadership qualities weren't for the most part replaced.
IIRC all the above have captained the side and are players who would tell others what they needed to do and most weren't afraid to give out verbal bollockings when required.

[G]

If the mirror is anything to go by then our transfer approach will not change. One of the world's best keepers is supposedly available for a reasonable price compared to his peers and we want to low ball on it.

[Fredo]

If the mirror is anything to go by then our transfer approach will not change. One of the world's best keepers is supposedly available for a reasonable price compared to his peers and we want to low ball on it.

He's available for £20m. Is that reasonable?

[Fredo]

Watching his interview again and I think his main grief is with allowing those two crosses which cost us the goals.

[RichC]

I would say that the following were strong leaders who left during his tenure:
Gerrard
Carragher
Suarez
Agger
Kuyt
Bellamy

Not all were his decision to actively move on but their leadership qualities weren't for the most part replaced.
IIRC all the above have captained the side and are players who would tell others what they needed to do and most weren't afraid to give out verbal bollockings when required.

None of the above players were really actively moved on were they, Kuyt and Bellamy left the Summer he came in, Suarez wanted to move for over a year and got his wish, Carra retired, Agger couldn't handle the PL anymore and Gerrard was a shadow of his former self and many wanted gone.

Plenty to lay at the feet of Rodgers but claptrap like he moved on strong players due to being scared of their influence is laughable - not aimed at you exiled

[RichC]

He's available for £20m. Is that reasonable?

It's a huge sum for a keeper but the way the transfer fees have been moving its probably around his market value

[G]

He's available for £20m. Is that reasonable?

De Gea was £17.8m a few years back so I'd say it's more than reasonable.

Mig was £10m i think. That's what £10-12m gets you, not top class.

[RichC]

De Gea was £17.8m a few years back so I'd say it's more than reasonable.

Utterly nuts is the world of football

[Fredo]

I think FSG will seek to get maximum return with the current squad before contemplating spending that much money on any players. I hope I'm wrong but we've been wasting a lot for the past two years.

[G]

I think FSG will seek to get maximum return with the current squad before contemplating spending that much money on any players. I hope I'm wrong but we've been wasting a lot for the past two years.

Well if they agree it's been wasted then there's not much point trying to get more value out of the players it was wasted on. If everybody agrees it was wasted then everybody agrees the players bought aren't good enough. Only answer to that is get better ones.

Still amazed the transfer committee in its entirety is still in situ. Surely at some point the ability of some of them to do the job has to be questioned.