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    Originally posted by spud_gun View Post
    Would rather just **** that level of competition off though.

    Players rest most midweeks. Keep them fresh for what i hope is a title challenge
    Title challenge? How's that going to work again? I love your optimisim, really I do, but I think we're nowhere near challenging and if klopp stays he has a bigger job to do now then when he first arrived. New formation and tactics required because everyone has cottoned on to what we do now. That horse has bolted.
    Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back. Oscar Wilde

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      We haven’t really played heavy metal football for a couple of seasons now. Let’s try go back to that next season and build again from there.
      3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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        Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post
        Title challenge? How's that going to work again? I love your optimisim, really I do, but I think we're nowhere near challenging and if klopp stays he has a bigger job to do now then when he first arrived. New formation and tactics required because everyone has cottoned on to what we do now. That horse has bolted.
        We were top of the league on Christmas day. Despite our current form i think we'll be there or there abouts next season.

        This season is like no other.

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          Originally posted by spud_gun View Post
          We were top of the league on Christmas day. Despite our current form i think we'll be there or there abouts next season.

          This season is like no other.
          Agreed. Regroup, fans back in the ground, players back, spine of the team back, players not having to live in bubbles. A couple of fresh faces too. We will go again next year.

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            Things went downhill after project restart... and at this rate he’s heading for the sack if Lfc go out of the cL and loose to Fulham both very likely

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              Originally posted by Bender View Post
              Things went downhill after project restart... and at this rate he’s heading for the sack if Lfc go out of the cL and loose to Fulham both very likely
              FSG would have a mutiny on their hands if they sacked Klopp whatever the circumstances... he's done enough (and won enough) in his time here to be given time and money to fix/rebuild it.

              I'm more worried about Klopp just fading away... giving up the ghost, so to speak...

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                Originally posted by Bender View Post
                Things went downhill after project restart... and at this rate he’s heading for the sack if Lfc go out of the cL and loose to Fulham both very likely
                Heading for the sack Not likely, there are so many mitigating factors, the least of which is our crippling injury list which is further compounded by a compact fixture list.

                The fact that we can still consider ourselves to be in touch with the top four is something no other manager in the league could do. The only way Klopp will leave is under his own volition.

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                  Originally posted by Tribute View Post
                  FSG would have a mutiny on their hands if they sacked Klopp whatever the circumstances... he's done enough (and won enough) in his time here to be given time and money to fix/rebuild it.

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                    Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post
                    Title challenge? How's that going to work again? I love your optimisim, really I do, but I think we're nowhere near challenging and if klopp stays he has a bigger job to do now then when he first arrived. New formation and tactics required because everyone has cottoned on to what we do now. That horse has bolted.


                    Seem to recall last season lots of talk in the media and on various sites about how City were finished and how they would need a massive rebuild in midfield and in attack.

                    Gundogan was rubbish. Jesus would not get goals. Rodri was a clogger. Silva was a PED head. The team had no fight, no heart and what not.

                    Yes they added to the backline but the same players that were written off last season are firing this season and nobody is questioning their fight or heart now, plus they are grinding out results when they have to this season.

                    Their weaker season came after two seasons of huge effort, and it appears that maybe they were suffering from a degree of burn out in the third season.

                    Our bad season has come after two seasons of immense effort and has been further impacted by a very steady run of injuries to key players, and we have been playing for quite some time now without our best CBs (and best back up CB) and without our best CMs starting in midfield. Throw in time missed by our keeper, and injuries to those who would be our next in line back ups and we really have been running on both fumes and the bare bones of our squad.

                    What really screwed us this season is our back ups imho. When we needed our first choice back ups they were either all out injured yet again or, in the case of the likes of Origi, too much of a drop off in quality to those they needed to cover/replace.

                    Get some hopefully reliable cover in the summer plus a proper preseason, and I suspect we will see a return to a much more competitive run of form from us.

                    I do think next season will be a three horse race for much of the season, with City, us and Chelsea are being in it until deep into the season.
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                      Originally posted by Scratch View Post
                      Heading for the sack Not likely, there are so many mitigating factors, the least of which is our crippling injury list which is further compounded by a compact fixture list.

                      The fact that we can still consider ourselves to be in touch with the top four is something no other manager in the league could do. The only way Klopp will leave is under his own volition.
                      This is modern day football a results based business and the ship is sinking fast .. you can cite injuries and lack of fans but he still has top players in his starting lineup all of who seem to not want to play

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                        Originally posted by Bender View Post
                        This is modern day football a results based business and the ship is sinking fast .. you can cite injuries and lack of fans but he still has top players in his starting lineup all of who seem to not want to play

                        The man has more than earned a dodgy season, a season that was impacted by a lot of issues from covid to an injury crisis the likes I have never seen at a top club to personal losses.

                        Next summer is when he can start doing something about players who do not want to play if that is the case with some players. For now he just has the cards he has been dealt and not a lot of scope to change a lot between now and the end of the season.
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                          With all due respect ask the question why have the players given up or why are the players not responding to the manager or why has the manager lost his ommph? Bad season yes but this is more than a bad season ! I have the utmost respect for Jurgen Klopp and I hope he turns things around super fast but there’s nothing to show this will happen. If results continue it will be who blinks first Klopp or fsg

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                            Originally posted by Bender View Post
                            This is modern day football a results based business and the ship is sinking fast .. you can cite injuries and lack of fans but he still has top players in his starting lineup all of who seem to not want to play
                            Top players who quite clearly need a rest. The injuries mean that we play the same players every match, and it's not sustainable, hence the lack of pressing and the fall off in our performance in the last 20 minutes of matches recently.

                            Hopefully with certain players back (Jota, Keita, Milner esp) we will be able to rest certain players more, and maybe even utilise Fab in midfield again, with a nice push to the end of the season, be it in the league or the CL.

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                              Originally posted by Bender View Post
                              This is modern day football a results based business and the ship is sinking fast .. you can cite injuries and lack of fans but he still has top players in his starting lineup all of who seem to not want to play
                              I’m sorry but sacking Klopp is never the answer.

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                                Originally posted by Bender View Post
                                With all due respect ask the question why have the players given up or why are the players not responding to the manager or why has the manager lost his ommph? Bad season yes but this is more than a bad season ! I have the utmost respect for Jurgen Klopp and I hope he turns things around super fast but there’s nothing to show this will happen. If results continue it will be who blinks first Klopp or fsg

                                He will not be sacked and I do not think he will walk away.

                                Regardless of what questions we ask here, it still boils down to him having to work with what he has until the summer. If there is some issue with players then he cannot sort that until the summer. He cannot add to the squad further until the summer. Even trying to come up with a brand new approach might have to wait until the summer as it may well be that the players available are not capable of it for whatever reason be it burnoutm be it not wanting to play as you suggested or whatever else.

                                We are having a poor season by our reccent standards and are currently in an awful run of form. But we have all been here before as supporters of this club. It feels like **** when we are down, but experience has taught us that we get some really great highs after our lows and unlike some of our low periods in the past we have a smashing manager to see us out of it and he is a manager who has come out of lows before in his career and he has come out of sustained runs of poor results in the past.

                                One of the worst things about this current ****storm is the fanbase has no way to try to help in a positive manner. We cannot get into the ground and make noise, we cannot gee the manager and team up, we cannot heckle the opposition, we cannot be part of the fight.

                                All we as fans have I suppose is if we enmasse bought into the idea of supporting the players relentlessly through their social media accounts, and pretty much tried to bring the 12th man to them that way. More banners left at the ground for match days and banners of support left out in Kirkby by the training ground.
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