Georginio Wijnaldum

[Shaggy]

Echo everything here, a world class, complete footballer, and a great character to have around too. He'll be a colossal miss, I can't believe the club, who get nearly everything right these days, have allowed this to happen. Hopefully there's still time to rescue it. I love him.

[Exiled_red]

Echo everything here, a world class, complete footballer, and a great character to have around too. He'll be a colossal miss, I can't believe the club, who get nearly everything right these days, have allowed this to happen. Hopefully there's still time to rescue it. I love him.

I was thinking the same thing, the stats guys, or moneyball guys whatever you want to call them must appreciate what he offers to the side and they seem to get things right on the signings front, so it seems odd that it has got to this stage.

[McDermotX]

Kevin Doyle talks a lot of ****, especially when a TV camera is put on him, but he does talk some sense when referencing the Gini situation tonight with regard to footballers in the autumn of their careers.
If you're being offered a 1yr, maybe 2yr, deal by a club and you've an agent saying he can get a 3yr, maybe 4, and in the back of your mind is how you want to secure your family's future etc.......it does present a dilemma.
When your long career could be ended in one moment, that security could be at the forefront our your thinking, and its not like he'd be securing higher wages at some no-hopers.......it would be at another top club in potentially more attractive living conditions etc

All I know for certain is that losing him would leave a massive hole in the squad, one which would take some transfer dexterity to fill. I'm not saying give everybody whatever they want, but all too often, things aren't as simple as they appear.

[Fosterbloke]

If you're being offered a 1yr, maybe 2yr, deal by a club and you've an agent saying he can get a 3yr, maybe 4, and in the back of your mind is how you want to secure your family's future etc.......it does present a dilemma.
When your long career could be ended in one moment, that security could be at the forefront our your thinking

You think players like Wijnaldum will be destitute if they don't earn another penny from today?

He could give all his money away today, play for one year and still walk away with more money than 1 of us will earn in a lifetime.

So unless he has 20 children, or he is responsible for his entire extended family's income, I call bollocks.

[Exiled_red]

Kevin Doyle talks a lot of ****, especially when a TV camera is put on him, but he does talk some sense when referencing the Gini situation tonight with regard to footballers in the autumn of their careers.
If you're being offered a 1yr, maybe 2yr, deal by a club and you've an agent saying he can get a 3yr, maybe 4, and in the back of your mind is how you want to secure your family's future etc.......it does present a dilemma.
When your long career could be ended in one moment, that security could be at the forefront our your thinking, and its not like he'd be securing higher wages at some no-hopers.......it would be at another top club in potentially more attractive living conditions etc

All I know for certain is that losing him would leave a massive hole in the squad, one which would take some transfer dexterity to fill. I'm not saying give everybody whatever they want, but all too often, things aren't as simple as they appear.

It's a strange one, I don't think it can just be about money or even money as a long term security thing for his family. It seems we've been in negotiations for about 18 months he's supposedly on ~£75k and we were reportedly willing to double his wages and give him a 3 year contract. If he had signed an new contract back at the start of these negotiations he would have earned an ~£7.5m by the time that his current contract expires which would be equivalent to what he would get in an extra year on his contract at £150k a week. So financially holding out (unless he wants a *much* bigger payrise or a massive signing on fee somewhere) doesn't really make sense, I think that there have to be other reasons in there for me.

[McDermotX]

You think players like Wijnaldum will be destitute if they don't earn another penny from today?

He could give all his money away today, play for one year and still walk away with more money than 1 of us will earn in a lifetime.

So unless he has 20 children, or he is responsible for his entire extended family's income, I call bollocks.

Don't recall saying anything about potentially being destitute.


Sure if thats the case then surely we can just put all our lads on half they money they're on now ? Sure they've more than made enough money by now.

Or perhaps we're not privy to the financial/family/business dealings of strangers, essentially.

[Buzzo]

You think players like Wijnaldum will be destitute if they don't earn another penny from today?

He could give all his money away today, play for one year and still walk away with more money than 1 of us will earn in a lifetime.

So unless he has 20 children, or he is responsible for his entire extended family's income, I call bollocks.

You could say the same of the club. Liverpool are not exactly going to fold if we offer Gini a 3 or 4 year contract.

[McDermotX]

It's a strange one, I don't think it can just be about money or even money as a long term security thing for his family. It seems we've been in negotiations for about 18 months he's supposedly on ~£75k and we were reportedly willing to double his wages and give him a 3 year contract. If he had signed an new contract back at the start of these negotiations he would have earned an ~£7.5m by the time that his current contract expires which would be equivalent to what he would get in an extra year on his contract at £150k a week. So financially holding out (unless he wants a *much* bigger payrise or a massive signing on fee somewhere) doesn't really make sense, I think that there have to be other reasons in there for me.

Oh....I'd not say its the one and only reason. Perhaps he feels he's been here too long, perhaps he wouldn't mind moving somewhere with a better climate etc.....Could be the missus wanting the family to grow up elsewhere for all I know. Could be football reasons as well.

Money is obviously a factor, but not always the primary one.......but the cold hard reality is that out of contract, Gini can command far more than we are offering in wages and signing on fees. That's the only thing that's certain.

Personally, I hope he stays as there is a need for his level of quality and experience in the years ahead, but I think we've all learned by now not to become overly attached to these guys.

[Fosterbloke]

Don't recall saying anything about potentially being destitute.

Sure if thats the case then surely we can just put all our lads on half they money they're on now ? Sure they've more than made enough money by now.

Or perhaps we're not privy to the financial/family/business dealings of strangers, essentially.

I'm saying that in response to your comment about 'securing his family's future'. They're beyond secure right now.

[McDermotX]

I honestly have no idea, and I wouldn't pretend to know the ins and outs of the man's situation......what I said was, Kevin Doyle, as an ex-pro, among other players around the 30+ mark I'm sure, said that around that point in your career, when negotiating between contracts, in the back of your mind is how you want to secure your family's future etc........and if you are, then the prospect of a more secure, better wage-paying contract becomes an option.

Until Gini gets on-screen with the properly-kept minutes of his agent and club contract neogotiations, and the last 5 years accounts of his household, not to mention his business portfolio.......I'd just keep a more general opinion.

Perhaps he just wants to play out his remaining top-flight years in Spain.

[Fosterbloke]

I honestly have no idea, and I wouldn't pretend to know the ins and outs of the man's situation......what I said was, Kevin Doyle, as an ex-pro, among other players around the 30+ mark I'm sure, said that around that point in your career, when negotiating between contracts, in the back of your mind is how you want to secure your family's future etc........and if you are, then the prospect of a more secure, better wage-paying contract becomes an option.

Until Gini gets on-screen with the properly-kept minutes of his agent and club contract neogotiations, and the last 5 years accounts of his household, not to mention his business portfolio.......I'd just keep a more general opinion.

Perhaps he just wants to play out his remaining top-flight years in Spain.

Kevin Doyle, megabucks earner with Wexford F.C., St Patrick's Athletic, Cork City and Reading. I can understand that viewpoint because he wouldn't have been paid much more than a bank manager.

[Fivex]

He would have been on a million a season at Reading, absolute minimum.

[Fivex]

And anyway, securing your family’s future doesn’t necessarily mean by way of renumeration. Rumours with Gini have always been over contract length afaik..

[danperkins]

Kevin Doyle, megabucks earner with Wexford F.C., St Patrick's Athletic, Cork City and Reading. I can understand that viewpoint because he wouldn't have been paid much more than a bank manager.

Multi millionaire

[Fosterbloke]

Multi millionaire

Since he played for Reading?