Naby Keita

[Charly]

I don't doubt that they don't...

...its too early in the morning...


We do seem to pick up more long term injuries around internationals.. Perhaps medical teams need to be made to start working together. For the sake of the players health, if nothing else.

[Mark79]

I think in this case it's fair to say the management team of Guinea isn't qualified enough to either understand or make a true judgement of when they should or shouldn't play their best player. I might be making a sweeping assessment here but I would say their setup is conference level at best. No way these small countries in developing world's have the resources we are so used such as sports science. I'm sure a few still believe in witchcraft. That's the reality and the risk of buying these players. We have no right to deny them a player. It's frustrating but we could of signed someone less risk. I'm sure Naby will be fine.

It’s not a lack of understanding of them being under qualified, it’s just shear belligerence. The GFF president was insisting Naby would be fit as soon as LFC announced he was out for the season. Guinea hadn’t even had a chance to assess him yet.

They ignored the advice of LFC doctors and apparently pressured Naby to play against his wishes. They put their short term interests above the long term interests of the player. It’s not a ‘small country’ thing either. The same scenario happened with Sturridge and England.

[Exiled_red]

...its too early in the morning...


We do seem to pick up more long term injuries around internationals.. Perhaps medical teams need to be made to start working together. For the sake of the players health, if nothing else.

I was thinking something similar I guess that the problem (from a FIFA point of view) is that FIFA and the national side both want the big players to play for their national sides, whereas the clubs probably want them to rest. So there is always going to be this level of suspicion, that the club is trying to keep the player out of the international games.

The other side of that is that when players are injured the club medical staff know the player best. One of Sturridge's injuries came from England not giving him the recovery time suggested by the club medical side.

[rudedog]

They should just make it that the country's have to pay the insurance for the players when they play international football. The insurance companies would have their own medical team and the insurance premium for each player would be based on their assessment prior to the matches.

The insurance should cover the cost of the players wages whilst injured.

If we use Naby's case as an example, here the insurance company would hopefully have refused to insure the player which would have settled the argument in an impartial way.

[baitman]

They should just make it that the country's have to pay the insurance for the players when they play international football. The insurance companies would have their own medical team and the insurance premium for each player would be based on their assessment prior to the matches.

The insurance should cover the cost of the players wages whilst injured + any other financial impact losing that player would have on their respective club

If we use Naby's case as an example, here the insurance company would hopefully have refused to insure the player which would have settled the argument in an impartial way.

It would also then take the pressure off a player who is seen as the main man to be able to sit out any games with no ersonal pressure or retribution.

[Exiled_red]

While I agree in principle, I imagine that the fees could be expensive for the small countries with star players on expensive wages, which could discourage them from taking the risk of playing them.

It could lead to clubs wanting more than just wages for example a player breaks his leg for and is out for a year while on international duty. As well as the insurance paying his wages, they could argue that they lost a year of his contract so maybe they should also be compensated for the amortisation of his contract. They are also still a player down, maybe they have to loan a player in to cover for him so perhaps the loan fee should be covered as well... etc. Before you know it the club could be looking for something like £20m if the player is out for a year. I don't think FIFA would stand for it.

[baitman]

While I agree in principle, I imagine that the fees could be expensive for the small countries with star players on expensive wages, which could discourage them from taking the risk of playing them.

It could lead to clubs wanting more than just wages for example a player breaks his leg for and is out for a year while on international duty. As well as the insurance paying his wages, they could argue that they lost a year of his contract so maybe they should also be compensated for the amortisation of his contract. They are also still a player down, maybe they have to loan a player in to cover for him so perhaps the loan fee should be covered as well... etc. Before you know it the club could be looking for something like £20m if the player is out for a year. I don't think FIFA would stand for it.

Fifa response... "whats in it for us"

[RedReet]

They should just make it that the country's have to pay the insurance for the players when they play international football. The insurance companies would have their own medical team and the insurance premium for each player would be based on their assessment prior to the matches.

The insurance should cover the cost of the players wages whilst injured.

If we use Naby's case as an example, here the insurance company would hopefully have refused to insure the player which would have settled the argument in an impartial way.

Surely then it's in the insurance companies best interest just to say no player is fit to play to lessen the risk of a payout?

[Bender]

Naby Keita was an unused sub for today's game v Burundi....Guinea must now wait to discover if they will progress as one of the best third-placed teams.

[rudedog]

Surely then it's in the insurance companies best interest just to say no player is fit to play to lessen the risk of a payout?

How would they make any money in that scenario? You pay an insurance company to cover risk. As there is no risk in not playing, then there would be nothing to insure against.

[Pablo]

I think we're underestimating how much Keita himself might want to play. Mane said he would happily swap his Champions League medal to win this. That's how much it means to them.

Anyway hopefully they don't qualify as one of the best 3rd placed teams.

[RedReet]

How would they make any money in that scenario? You pay an insurance company to cover risk. As there is no risk in not playing, then there would be nothing to insure against.

I don't mean no players would play at all obviously as there would be no International football then, but any player carrying a slight injury would be ruled out as it's an unnecessary risk for the insurance company and if they have the authority, why would they gamble? They make their money on the fit players who are less likely to get injured.

[Angryred]

I think we're underestimating how much Keita himself might want to play. Mane said he would happily swap his Champions League medal to win this. That's how much it means to them.

Anyway hopefully they don't qualify as one of the best 3rd placed teams.

Any update on them qualifying?...hopefully not!

[rudedog]

I don't mean no players would play at all obviously as there would be no International football then, but any player carrying a slight injury would be ruled out as it's an unnecessary risk for the insurance company and if they have the authority, why would they gamble? They make their money on the fit players who are less likely to get injured.

The premiums would go up based on the likelihood of the player getting injured from lack of fitness or carrying a pre-existing injury into a game.

Your car insurance works in a similar way, if you're young and have a high performance car then statistically you have a much higher chance of being involved in an accident, therefore your premiums will be much higher.

I'm sure they could find a way to make this work.

[labourRed]

Any update on them qualifying?...hopefully not!

They are the highest placed runners up so far on a cursory glance earlier.

Liverpool flew him home apparently for a check up after their last game but he's expected to fly back for their, presumably last game.