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    I thought he started quite well for us actually. It's only been more recently he's looked like he's struggling. I'm putting it down to him changing his game up, and needing to work through that. Klopp seems to put more emphasis on players being able to implement his ideas as opposed to getting them to hit the ground running then worry about adjusting instructions later, and it's inevitable that approach takes more time. I think there's a good chance Keita, Shaq and Fabinho will be just the tonic in the new year, offering us a new impetus. Nothing I've seen so far has made me concerned Keita is a poor signing. Nothing.
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      Originally posted by Red_Polo View Post
      I thought he started quite well for us actually. It's only been more recently he's looked like he's struggling. I'm putting it down to him changing his game up, and needing to work through that. Klopp seems to put more emphasis on players being able to implement his ideas as opposed to getting them to hit the ground running then worry about adjusting instructions later, and it's inevitable that approach takes more time. I think there's a good chance Keita, Shaq and Fabinho will be just the tonic in the new year, offering us a new impetus. Nothing I've seen so far has made me concerned Keita is a poor signing. Nothing.


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        Yep, agree with that & I would offer Ox last season as an example of that. it took Ox sometime to find his feet but once he did.
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          Originally posted by Red_Polo View Post
          I thought he started quite well for us actually. It's only been more recently he's looked like he's struggling. I'm putting it down to him changing his game up, and needing to work through that. Klopp seems to put more emphasis on players being able to implement his ideas as opposed to getting them to hit the ground running then worry about adjusting instructions later, and it's inevitable that approach takes more time. I think there's a good chance Keita, Shaq and Fabinho will be just the tonic in the new year, offering us a new impetus. Nothing I've seen so far has made me concerned Keita is a poor signing. Nothing.
          yeah I agree with you mate, the quality is there and thought he was decent for the first few games. Milner and Gini's form has been superb this season so it really is a case of Fab, Naby and Hendo fighting for one spot and I'm sure Klopp is looking at each game to see which one will add that little of extra to the midfield and selecting appropriately.


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            Originally posted by Red_Polo View Post
            I thought he started quite well for us actually. It's only been more recently he's looked like he's struggling. I'm putting it down to him changing his game up, and needing to work through that. Klopp seems to put more emphasis on players being able to implement his ideas as opposed to getting them to hit the ground running then worry about adjusting instructions later, and it's inevitable that approach takes more time. I think there's a good chance Keita, Shaq and Fabinho will be just the tonic in the new year, offering us a new impetus. Nothing I've seen so far has made me concerned Keita is a poor signing. Nothing.
            yeah I agree early on he looked sharper and you can see he has something about him - he moved the ball quickly, he turned sharply, he ran with the ball, he made a few direct passes.

            he then did the worlds greatest ever turn, virtually spraining some lads ankles away to crystal palace and even thought **** me who is this guy...…

            and then he seems to have lost his way from there.

            I just think it's a bit of a bedding in period, the games have been a bit quicker/more intense than he's used to and hes trying to settle and find his feet.

            it's clear he's got ability but he does need to start having an impact soon as our midfield is desperate for it.
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              He started well and I thought wow but seems to have struggled since. A game like yesterday was what we bought him for but he disappointed again.
              Saying that I do think he will come good. Probs just settling in period both privately and professionally.

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                Must be hard coaching positioning and movement in Ox's absence but knowing he'll be back in the team next season.

                Will he have to unlearn everything he's been taught this season based on no driving midfielder beside him?
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                  Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
                  Must be hard coaching positioning and movement in Ox's absence but knowing he'll be back in the team next season.

                  Will he have to unlearn everything he's been taught this season based on no driving midfielder beside him?
                  I'm pretty sure Naby was brought in to provide some thrust to the midfield

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                    He'll come good, but him playing well is exactly what we were missing in the last two league games, someone dynamic in midfield who can play between the lines and get around the pitch.
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                      We also have Shaqiri who can also play that role, if needed. He is certainly good enough to do a role against lesser teams.

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                        Originally posted by labourRed View Post
                        We also have Shaqiri who can also play that role, if needed. He is certainly good enough to do a role against lesser teams.
                        As I have said in another thread he occupies the same areas that Firmino drops off into

                        Oxlade-Chamberlain made runs through those areas and beyond the frontline, I thought Keita would end up doing this also and whilst he has occasionally hes not seemed to do it the last few games
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                          One of the issues at the moment is just his lack of passing accuracy. Whether that’s just a settling in thing I don’t know but the amount of misplaced passes is a worry.

                          Firmino used to be guilty of similar - he’d play a risky pass too deep and we’d turnover possession.

                          Naby needs to just play it simple unless he’s 30 yards from the opposition goal and then he can try stuff.
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                            Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                            As I have said in another thread he occupies the same areas that Firmino drops off into

                            Oxlade-Chamberlain made runs through those areas and beyond the frontline, I thought Keita would end up doing this also and whilst he has occasionally hes not seemed to do it the last few games
                            Yeah, in fairness it's a common problem with a 10 and an attacking midfielder to occupy the same spaces. No one is at fault, it is what it is and you wouldn't want to clip Firmino's wings.

                            I think both Keita and Shaqiri will benefit from some coaching to be more effective midfielders (in our system). You just have to look at Fabinho or even to go full circle Ox, to see how long that might take. I'd be more concerned if those players didn't have quality but I think they have. Shaqiri is more of a forward in my eyes though so he's a lot of work to do to be a viable option for us.

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                              Originally posted by Rich View Post
                              One of the issues at the moment is just his lack of passing accuracy. Whether that’s just a settling in thing I don’t know but the amount of misplaced passes is a worry.

                              Firmino used to be guilty of similar - he’d play a risky pass too deep and we’d turnover possession.

                              Naby needs to just play it simple unless he’s 30 yards from the opposition goal and then he can try stuff.
                              Yeah, our speed of thought and movement was unbelievable last season, at the minute everyones timing and movement seems a touch off, with passes going astray and runs not being noticed or timed.

                              Once this all kicks in you feel we are going to stuff someone 10-0.
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                                I am struggling to understand his role in the team at the moment, is he a DM, CM or AM? I think he will be great in the long term because he is being coached by the very best out there so no concerns from me aside from the above.
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