Darwin Núñez

[Daniel 7]

Don't know if it has been said on this thread before, CBA checking, but the striker comparison is less valid with Suarez than it is with Djibril Cisse. Cisse was a striker with physical gifts, the ability to disrupt, lacked composure in front of goal and was massively inconsistent. I remember a finish where Cisse placed it into the corner cutting in from wide once (I think it was a Xmas game against Newcastle) and the world erupted with Thierry Henry comparisons.

The thing with Darwin is he is almost as mad as Cisse was and he matches a lot of the above stylistically as well. The blasting when a placement would work better in particular, and similarly they both can surprise you with a lovely finish, like the FA Cup Final goal in 2006, read the second Newcastle goal this season for Darwin.

The only things Darwin has in common with Suarez are nationality and having a bit of a screw loose

[Buzzo]

Suarez had 1.5 seasons then he hit turbo, so if the comparison is to stand, then Darwin is about to go nuclear.

[RedReet]

But for all we know, Cisse might have went on to be the next Henry if it wasn't for injuries.

[rudedog]

Loads of forwards were late developers, loads of forwards showed early promise but never kicked on .

Saying he will definitely become amazing is just as silly as those who are saying he won't.

[spud_gun]

Suarez wasn't a late developer.

He scored almost 50 in one season at Ajax

[Buzzo]

Loads of forwards were late developers, loads of forwards showed early promise but never kicked on .

Saying he will definitely become amazing is just as silly as those who are saying he won't.

Are you trying to tell us we cannot predict the future?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Loads of forwards were late developers, loads of forwards showed early promise but never kicked on .

Saying he will definitely become amazing is just as silly as those who are saying he won't.

Don't think anyone has said he will 100% do so.

Same with the Suarez stuff, nobody compared him in terms of ability to Suarez.

Just that both have a very similar shot to goal conversion rate and musing that sometimes a player needs a season or two before shots that were going a few inches too close to a keeper or hitting wood work start going in.

Will that happen for Darwin? Who knows, but right now his career in terms of the amount of chnces he is involved in along with her conversion rates are quite similar to those of Suarez before he kicked on.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Are you trying to tell us we cannot predict the future?

I can.

Some players will get pillored for little things and other players doing similar will not.


Then we the players that got slagged off move to another club, the same criticisms just get plonked onto other current players and how good the team is performing tends to be less important than saying how poor player X is doing..

[RedReet]

Took this from March 12 in Suarez thread. Similar point in both players careers. Tell me this doesn't sound massively familiar?

https://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=2237897&postcount=1958

And again, let me clarify that nobody is saying that because Suarez had similar problems, it means Nunez will turn out great. Nobody is saying that Nunez is a similar player to Suarez or he'll turn out half as good as him. The reason many of us compare him to Suarez and not other great strikers like Torres, Fowler, Rush etc is not because he is Uruguan, it's purely because most of the arguments for and against Nunez are almost identical to the arguments in 2012. Again Suarez has absolutely no bearing on how Nunez will develop as a player, but for those who say he will NEVER be a good finisher, he will NEVER be good enough, surely you can see the rational in looking back at Suarez?

[RedReet]

I can.

Some players will get pillored for little things and other players doing similar will not.


Then we the players that got slagged off move to another club, the same criticisms just get plonked onto other current players and how good the team is performing tends to be less important than saying how poor player X is doing..

[Assassin]

Don't think anyone has said he will 100% do so.

Same with the Suarez stuff, nobody compared him in terms of ability to Suarez.

Just that both have a very similar shot to goal conversion rate and musing that sometimes a player needs a season or two before shots that were going a few inches too close to a keeper or hitting wood work start going in.

Will that happen for Darwin? Who knows, but right now his career in terms of the amount of chnces he is involved in along with her conversion rates are quite similar to those of Suarez before he kicked on.

[Assassin]

I can.

Some players will get pillored for little things and other players doing similar will not.


Then we the players that got slagged off move to another club, the same criticisms just get plonked onto other current players and how good the team is performing tends to be less important than saying how poor player X is doing..

[Assassin]

For me it is really simple.

He makes a difference when he plays be it through a goal, an assist or making space for others when defenders follow his runs.

When he is on the pitch we seem to create more chances to when he is not.

[Daniel 7]

Hmm, not sure the Suarez comparison is valid from a numbers perspective. Suarez (as spud_gun points out) was prolific before he came to Liverpool. The biggest difference though is that Suarez was starting from a lower base in a team that was growing together, he arrived as a second striker to Andy Carrol (lol), and had players around him like Stuart Downing, Charlie Adam and some other ****e I can't remember. Although we could say this team is growing too, we still have the main nucleus of a team that won the lot. He has Salah turned provider, a dynamic midfield and Virgil to play diagonals quickly out of defence. I think it's fair to say that Liverpool 23/24 would wipe the floor with Liverpool 11/12.

Plus the chances Suarez had back then were often self created and he would mess up the end, Darwin isn't creating for himself as much as Luis did (I don't have stats to back this up, it's a hunch )

I think it is before the time, but it would be interesting to see how Suarez and Darwin's XG compare. I remember Suarez hitting the woodwork a mental amount of times one season, but quite often they were ludicrous shots or after taking on half a team.

[Venton]

Not sure if the comparisons with Suarez are helpful as they are very different players.

The question for me is if he is doing much better in terms of converting his good chances what effect would that have on the team and the complexion of games? I feel we have struggled in many games where, if we had been a couple up, we might not be panicking so much.

I'm not comparing him overall to Heskey but you could see that, over time, Emile was draining confidence in the team where he was missing chances he could have scored. As a striker his performance changed games.