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    #46
    Kahn the best all rounder ever Clearly Gary Sobers was the greatest ever.

    Botham and Kahn were up there in that generation but noone can beat Sobers
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      #47
      Originally posted by Colemere View Post
      Kahn the best all rounder ever Clearly Gary Sobers was the greatest ever.

      Botham and Kahn were up there in that generation but noone can beat Sobers
      Wasn't Sobers an occasional bowler though? Great player - one of the greatest.
      "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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        #48
        Originally posted by looprevil View Post
        Wasn't Sobers an occasional bowler though? Great player - one of the greatest.
        No he was occasionally a spin bowler but he was a genuine all rounder.

        This is a hell of a record and not a band one for a part time bowler:whatever:

        Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
        Tests 93 160 21 8032 365* 57.78 26 30 32 109 0

        Bowling averages Mat Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4 5 10
        Tests 93 21599 7999 235 6/73 8/80 34.03 2.22 91.91 8 6 0
        Last edited by Colemere; 18-06-07, 04:26 PM.
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          #49
          Originally posted by looprevil View Post
          BTW Imran Khan was the better player
          Sorry but this post has nothing to do with Imran Khan Great player that he was at all. This is about Sir Ian Botham.

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            #50
            Originally posted by looprevil View Post
            BTW Imran Khan was the better player
            Khan admitted to picking the seam with a bottle cap.

            He was a cheat, end of debate
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            (1995)
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              #51
              Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
              Khan admitted to picking the seam with a bottle cap.

              He was a cheat, end of debate
              Yeah, forget about that old chestnut. At least he admitted it. Pioneer mate, pioneer - not a cheat.
              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                #52
                Originally posted by looprevil View Post
                Yeah, forget about that old chestnut. At least he admitted it. Pioneer mate, pioneer - not a cheat.
                I'm not saying Khan wasn't a great cricketer, but Botham was better.

                What about Akram, it's debatable whether Khan was better than him.
                Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                (1995)
                "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                  #53
                  Akram is also up there. Imran Khan led his side so well, most memorably in the 92 WC. I just feel he was the better bowler than Botham, and ultimately the more controlled effective batsman.

                  They also had a competition in the late 80s in Hong Kong where all the best allrounders competed to see who is the best, and Imran won.

                  Achievements
                  What didn't he achieve? As captain, he led Pakistan to first-ever overseas series wins in India and England. He also led them to a World Cup win and two semi-finals and never, under his captaincy, did Pakistan lose a series to the frighteningly dominant West Indians. He also took 362 Test wickets and scored nearly 4000 runs (average-wise, he tops the four great all-rounders of the 80s). He is one of only two players to take ten wickets in a Test and score a hundred, one of only a handful to take 40 wickets in a Test series (and that too on Pakistani pitches). The list could go on. And all this after he played two years literally as half a player, a serious shin injury preventing him from bowling.

                  What makes him special
                  Above all, he had tremendous presence on the field. Sheer will pushed him from being an inswinging medium-pacer to a fast bowler who, in his prime, touched West Indian pace, with an action so beautiful it deserved a catwalk. Arguably, he reverse swung it better than any, even his famed disciples. As a batsman, he improved with age; by the end of his career, an essentially sound technique meant he could do one-down stabilizer, lower-order bully or middle order chaser.

                  Finest hour
                  Potentially, it could be hours: his first series as captain in England, where he topped bowling and batting tables, the away series wins over India or England, or even the drawn series in the Caribbean in 1988. Probably edging them all is the World Cup triumph in 1992, his last act as captain and player. With the ball, the sting had gone, but as a batsman, the brain ticked over till the very end. Above all, as leader he was peerless, goading from a rabble, the performance of their lives; cornered tigers anyone?

                  Achilles' Heel
                  He was widely perceived as being too arrogant and aloof, which didn't endear him to many teammates. In his beliefs, he could be stubborn to the extent of being autocratic, a trait which made him as many friends as enemies. If he liked you though, you could do no wrong. Just ask Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Abdul Qadir. If he didn't, then God help you (and that too after seeking permission from Imran). Just ask Qasim Omar, Younis Ahmed and Iqbal Qasim. To boot, he was never a great fielder.

                  How history views him
                  The greatest cricketer Pakistan ever produced and its' most inspiring leader. Almost single-handedly, he created a legacy of fast bowling on which Pakistan thrives to this day. Without Imran, there would be no Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif or Gul. Along with Sarfraz Nawaz, he gave cricket reverse swing as well. As a personality, for much of the 80s, he was also one of Pakistan's most useful PR tools.
                  They were both great players, its just my opinion that Immy was the best.
                  "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by looprevil View Post
                    Imran Khan was the best ever allrounder. FACT.
                    IMO Garfield Sobers gets that title

                    Batting style Left-handed batsman (LHB)
                    Bowling type Slow left-arm orthodox (SLA)
                    Slow left-arm chinaman (SLC)
                    Left-arm fast medium (LFM)
                    Tests ODIs
                    Matches 93 1
                    Runs scored 8032 0
                    Batting average 57.78 0.00
                    100s/50s 26/30 -/-
                    Top score 365* 0
                    Overs bowled 3418.3 10.3
                    Wickets 235 1
                    Bowling average 34.03 31.00
                    5 wickets in innings 6 -
                    10 wickets in match - n/a
                    Best bowling 6/73 1/31
                    Catches/stumpings 109/- 1/-
                    Last edited by SouthAfricaRed; 19-06-07, 12:59 AM.
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