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The sound of neil pissing all over someones chips...again
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Yes there are, very serious potential side effectsOriginally posted by Neil Young View Post
Well this is true,but the same could be said of testosterone. It's banned because your body is not producing it naturally, therefore you effect the homeostasis of the body by tampering with it.EPO mimics the effects of altitude training. Why is it banned yet altitude training isn't?
Should oxygen tents be banned too? I mean, it's not natural.
I think oxygen tents should be banned.Originally posted by Gordon Brown
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Originally posted by paulcooper4 View PostThe sound of neil pissing all over someones chips...again Unintended I assure you. They were genuine questions, I'm not arguing a case.
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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Would you elaborate please? I'm interested.Originally posted by Red Chilli View PostYes there are, very serious potential side effects
I can't help feeling it's an artificial line. I'm not saying we shouldn't draw one and quite possibly it should be where it is but we need to recognise that it's somewhat arbitrary where we choose to put it.Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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He'd have been banned for two years in cycling. It indicates that boxing is another sport without a desire to root out drug taking. Does anyone know its out-of-competition testing policy?Toney doping ban halved on appeal
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Three-time world champion James Toney is free to fight from 24 November after having a one-year doping ban reduced to six months on appeal.
The state of California Athletic Commission issued the ban after he tested positive for steroids following his win over Danny Batchelder in May.
Batchelder also tested positive and has been suspended until 22 May, 2008.
Toney tested positive for nandrolone in 2005, which cost him victory over then WBC heavyweight champion John Ruiz.
Toney, who denied knowingly ingesting any banned substance, beat Batchelder on a split decision, a result which still stands despite the positive test results.
The 38-year-old is a former middleweight, super middleweight and cruiserweight world champion and has 70 wins from 79 fights.
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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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The idea of the ludicrously fragmented world of boxing having a unified out of competition testing program seems unlikely to be honest.Originally posted by Neil Young View Post"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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Ha, that's what I was thinking too but you never know, perhaps one of our resident pugilism aficionados will inform us to the contrary.Originally posted by dww View Post.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Because blood doping is artificial, altitude training isn't.Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
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EPO and blood dopng can make your blood as thick as molasses, so that's why when athletes take blood thinners it's treated as a masking agent thus illeal.Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
The way how many athletes get around 'legally' taking drugs and masking agents is to pay some unethical doctor to diagnose them with an illness they really don't have to enable to then to 'juice up'.
The main concern though is designer drugs and DNA tampering.Comment
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Originally posted by kemm1 View PostBecause blood doping is artificial, altitude training isn't.
What is 'artificial' though? As I said, I tend to think where the line is drawn is arbitrary..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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I see Lance Armstrong is facing serious accusations again, this time from two or three of his closest team mates, one he once described as being like a brother.
(CBS News)
"60 Minutes" has learned that at least three of Lance Armstrong's former teammates - including one of his closest, George Hincapie - have told federal authorities they used banned substances and saw Armstrong use them as well.
The Scott Pelley team's investigation into Armstrong and the use of banned substances in pro cycling will be broadcast on "60 Minutes" this Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
Hincapie testified that he and Armstrong supplied each other with the endurance-boosting substance EPO and discussed having used another banned substance, testosterone, to prepare for races, "60 Minutes" has learned. Through his lawyer, Hincapie declined to be interviewed, citing the ongoing investigation.
Armstrong has steadfastly denied ever using banned substances.
Hincapie was a member of Armstrong's U.S. Postal Service-sponsored cycling team.
Another former member, Tyler Hamilton, has given "60 Minutes" an interview for Sunday's report in which he says he used EPO and saw Armstrong inject it, too, in preparation for races Armstrong won, including the sport's ultimate event, the Tour de France. Hamilton has also made these revelations to federal authorities.
Hamilton, one of Armstrong's closest teammates and a champion cyclist in his own right, had previously denied using banned substances. He came forward to reveal secrets he thought he would harbor for years after he was subpoenaed by the grand jury in the federal investigation and forced to testify. "[Armstrong] took what we all took...the majority of the peloton," Hamilton says, referring to the tight group of bicycles and their riders in a race. "There was EPO...testosterone...a blood transfusion," he tells Pelley.
Watch an excerpt of Hamilton's interview:
Hamilton says Armstrong used EPO, a drug that boosted endurance by increasing the amount of red blood cells in his body, to win the 1999 Tour de France, the race he won an astonishing seven times. "I saw [EPO] in his refrigerator...I saw him inject it more than one time like we all did, like I did many, many times."
Another former Armstrong teammate, also a witness in the federal investigation, is Frankie Andreu. He tells Pelley he took banned substances because lesser riders he believed were doping passed him by. "Training alone wasn't doing it and I think that's how...many of the other riders during that era felt, I mean, you kind of didn't have a choice," says Andreu.
The bedrock of Armstrong's denials over the years has been his claim to have never failed one of the hundreds of drug tests he has taken. Hamilton says Armstrong told him he did fail a test in 2001 given during the Tour de Swiss, an important event right before the Tour de France.
That allegation is under investigation by federal authorities.
After his interview with "60 Minutes" was made public, Hamilton surrendered the gold medal he won in a cycling event at the 2004 Olympics.
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Haha, if he's found guilty they may as well just ban cycling altogether. Ridiculous shambles, full of cheats.Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’Comment
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Its a crazy sport though - just look at what you've got to cycle, its just madness.
I caught some of the Giro Italy thing yesterday and it was basically 5 hours of torture cycling uphill. With the same again the day after. A human body can't do it without some additional help.James Philip Milner Fanclub #1
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One was accused of being towed on certain more remote parts of a races stages the other week, apparently they attach a fishing line to a cork, one end of it is held in the car, the other end, with the cork..is in the riders mouth, once they're up to speed it's more than enough to tow a rider easily, apparently, so it said.Last edited by Vermilion; 22-05-11, 09:19 PM.Comment
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ZzzzzzzzzzzzzOriginally posted by Shaggy View Post.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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