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[bazza76]

Fair points mate

I'm not a life long MMA fan & so have probably been "duped" by what UFC has to offer as only got hooked a couple of years ago - it probably is the commercial side of MMA and like many other sports the grass roots levels probably have a lot more to offer than it currently is being seen to have

You mentioned Nick Diaz, have to say I love his fights and more recently his little cosky **** of a brother - Nate. Did you see his last fight when he pulled the win out of nowhere - he locked ina choke & he was lying on his back giving the fingers, flexing his muscles and celebrating - all before his Pellegrino had even tapped. Totally disrespectful but something different

yes I seen Nate Diaz's last fight mate, I never miss a UFC fight, not in the past few years anyway, am a huge Nick Diaz fan myself too, am not sure who the first fight I seen him in was with, I think it was his first UFC fight actually against some blonde lad, cant remember his name, but I just loved his style and fighting spirit. He has been in some excellent fights in the UFC and if you look at his losses, it doesn't exactly paint a true picture of how good he really is, he could have won any one of those fights.
I am also a big Karo Parisyan fan, like Diaz, he is very aggressive and extremely talented, and I love his Judo throws :rockon:
there are so many fighters to admire in the UFC though, despite my dislike of the way they run things, it is still a great spectacle, If I had to pick my absolute favourite fighter at the moment, I just have to pick Anderson Silva.
His Muay Thai fighting is just awesome.

[homer1]

yes I seen Nate Diaz's last fight mate, I never miss a UFC fight, not in the past few years anyway, am a huge Nick Diaz fan myself too, am not sure who the first fight I seen him in was with, I think it was his first UFC fight actually against some blonde lad, cant remember his name, but I just loved his style and fighting spirit. He has been in some excellent fights in the UFC and if you look at his losses, it doesn't exactly paint a true picture of how good he really is, he could have won any one of those fights.
I am also a big Karo Parisyan fan, like Diaz, he is very aggressive and extremely talented, and I love his Judo throws :rockon:
there are so many fighters to admire in the UFC though, despite my dislike of the way they run things, it is still a great spectacle, If I had to pick my absolute favourite fighter at the moment, I just have to pick Anderson Silva.
His Muay Thai fighting is just awesome.

Yeah, I've been the same since I started watching it - other half gives out **** when the sky+ planner is filled up for the coming week with UFC highlight reels

Big fan of Karo myself & very disappointed when he lost last time out as he was on a roll. Anderson Silva is awesome but I think if I had to name my favourite it would have to be GSP - he's got everything

[bazza76]

Yeah, I've been the same since I started watching it - other half gives out **** when the sky+ planner is filled up for the coming week with UFC highlight reels

Big fan of Karo myself & very disappointed when he lost last time out as he was on a roll. Anderson Silva is awesome but I think if I had to name my favourite it would have to be GSP - he's got everything

Can understand obviously why people rate GSP so much, cos he is awesome.
There are so many top class performers in the UFC it is hard to pick, personally I just love the action Anderson Silva brings, which is why I pick him, his striking is just immense.

[Nicey]

Anybody see that joke of a fight between Kimbo Slice and Thompson .... Welcome to the wonderful world of MMA mainstream bent boxing promoters style

Shockingly bent

[chadrtc]

Thats what happens when the big U.S T.V networks get involved.

MMA was dragged back 15 years on saturday night, and the worst thing is that people are raving about it!

[Nicey]

Idiots who know **** all about the sport might watch that ****e but I dont think it will have legs. Kimbo Slice is an exciting fighter with potential but you need deep quality in the divisions to compete with the UFC.

I like the UFC, they do it right, they are packed with talented fighters up and down the weight class's and its all about the fight not the fighters

That Ref was just out of this world... Asking thompson to improve his ****ing postion when he has him in side month whilst raining down ****ing elbows to his face unprotected ... a decent fighter would have knocked kimbo the **** out 5 times over .. but Thompson is one the most over hyped fighters on the planet .. All muscle and show and very little power, skill or gaz in the tank ... great for walking into the ring and looking all hard but thats about it ..

Kimbo for only 3 PRO MMA fights looks very good, needs to go to the UFC ... in about 2 years time when he is ready ... now he would be eating up alive ...

[FatTony]

Idiots who know **** all about the sport might watch that ****e but I dont think it will have legs. Kimbo Slice is an exciting fighter with potential but you need deep quality in the divisions to compete with the UFC.

I like the UFC, they do it right, they are packed with talented fighters up and down the weight class's and its all about the fight not the fighters

That Ref was just out of this world... Asking thompson to improve his ****ing postion when he has him in side month whilst raining down ****ing elbows to his face unprotected ... a decent fighter would have knocked kimbo the **** out 5 times over .. but Thompson is one the most over hyped fighters on the planet .. All muscle and show and very little power, skill or gaz in the tank ... great for walking into the ring and looking all hard but thats about it ..

Kimbo for only 3 PRO MMA fights looks very good, needs to go to the UFC ... in about 2 years time when he is ready ... now he would be eating up alive ...

I'll be amazed if Kimbo gets anywhere in the UFC tbh, very one dimensional (obviously) and his stamina is very suspect from what I've seen. He's getting on a bit now as well isn't he?

[bazza76]

Thats what happens when the big U.S T.V networks get involved.

MMA was dragged back 15 years on saturday night, and the worst thing is that people are raving about it!

Funny you say that.
Joe rogan claims MMA has come further in a decade of UFC than it has in the preceding 700 years lol.
Funny thing is, he may actually have a point.

[bazza76]

I'll be amazed if Kimbo gets anywhere in the UFC tbh, very one dimensional (obviously) and his stamina is very suspect from what I've seen. He's getting on a bit now as well isn't he?

Thats what I was thinking.
From the clips I have seen of Kimbo street fighting he gassed very quickly in all of them, even got beat up by a fat copper in one.
I would have thought he is well into his 30's too.
If the UFC brought him in, they could end up looking stupid, but still, it may not be beyond them to do such a thing, he would attract alot of viewers.

[chadrtc]

This is an interesting artical on saturdays debacle.


By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Many long-time mixed martial arts fans think Saturday’s Kimbo Slice fight on CBS was fixed because, well, it looked exactly like what they think a fixed fight would look like.

Personally, I don’t think it was rigged, if only because it worked. Kimbo, the obvious beneficiary since the entire promotion hinges on his success, won. For Elite XC to purposely deliver this desirable result would display a level of competency not seen in any other part of its amateur hour production.

But that’s just me. In the days after the first ever network televised card, everyone seems to have an opinion.

It generally splits into two groups.

Moderate to hardcore fans saw it as an abomination of their sport; CBS and Elite XC combining to produce a circus act headlined by an overhyped Kimbo that set the perception of MMA back a decade.
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New and casual fans saw it as great entertainment, especially considering it was on late Saturday night where the expectations of programming aren’t real high, although some viewers undoubtedly were.

Both sides are correct; it’s simply a matter of perspective.

If you’re a fan of MMA, then what Elite XC trotted out as a main event was mostly an absurd exhibition. It’s like tuning in for the NBA Finals and finding the And 1 Mixtape Tour – only with announcers pretending Hot Sauce is a better player than Kobe Bryant.

This was entirely predictable. Any promotion that was going to use Kimbo Slice as its main event clearly cared nothing about the quality or growth of the sport. It was just grabbing cheap viewers. If that meant sending a mostly unskilled street fighting sensation against a guy who was such a tomato can he should have dressed in red, then so be it.

Of course, the tomato can, James “Colossus” Thompson, almost won. At least, until the fight got stopped, Kimbo was declared the winner and MMA message boards almost collapsed in fury.

But if you didn’t know, or care, then you didn’t know or care. This was better than reruns of “Walker, Texas Ranger.”

What the main event lacked in quality it made up for in entertainment, unintentional or not. Here are my four favorite absurdly hysterical moments of the Kimbo-Colossus fight.

4. When the fight was called, Colossus, the loser, tried to fight the ref for unfairly ending it. Kimbo, the winner, collapsed in exhaustion as many in the once pro-Kimbo crowd in Newark, N.J., turned on their guy. Not exactly a victory lap.

3. The CBS announcing crew’s endless hyperbole reaching its pinnacle when one of them compared Kimbo to Tiger Woods.

This would be applicable if Tiger had gained fame hitting trick shots in putt putt and then was invited to a second rate club championship which CBS was conned into televising. He then shot a final round 124, after which he was declared the winner anyway.

2. The judges. Kimbo spent most of the second round getting his skull hit and thanking the heavens that Colossus could only manage weak punches and elbows. Anyone else and this ends ugly. Even with Colossus, the fight could have been called (ha) in this undeniably terrible round for Kimbo.

Naturally, one of the “impartial judges” scored the round in his favor anyway. If this had gone to decision, is there any doubt at least one of the judges would have scored the three-round fight for Kimbo, five rounds to zero?

1. The Ear. What, you’ve seen an ear like that before? When everyone predicted this would be a freak show, no one thought the Colossus would take it to heart. His cauliflower ear was massive, this huge ball of blood and puss hanging off his head.

Ah, didn’t anyone think to mention he might want to drain that thing before Kimbo whacks him upside the head and makes it explode? Which, of course, happened.

Pre-fight, as the cameras zoomed in on that monstrosity everyone watching was horrified, fascinated or laughing uncontrollably. It was something out of a summer comedy; I kept expecting Verne Troyer to appear in the scene. CBS’s Gus Johnson declared it an “alien life form.”

This was the stuff that pained longtime fans. For the average person just looking for something to watch, though, this train wreck was wildly entertaining. At the very least, it was memorable. Not everyone is concerned about the integrity of cage fighting.

It’s worth repeating that Kimbo Slice isn’t the problem. He may have a long way to go to be even a good MMA fighter, but he is an easy-to-root-for American original. He shouldn’t apologize for suddenly having a chance to make a bunch of money.

If out of the blue the New York Yankees called and said you could have Alex Rodriguez’s third base position (and contract), you’d take it. Then you’d spend every waking minute at the batting cage and taking grounders, all while walking around scared senseless that this was going to end badly (except for your bank account) when they realized you aren’t a major league ball player.

That’s what Kimbo looked like in the run up to this one. He’s training as hard as he can, but he has to know the truth. Fedor Emelianenko, the best heavyweight in the world, would toy with him. Every heavyweight and light heavyweight in the UFC would beat him handily. Even some middleweights, such as Anderson Silva, despite giving up 50-plus pounds, would take him. It’s just a matter of MMA being a lot more than a street brawl. He’s on their turf now.

Colossus has now lost seven of his last nine fights and he wasn’t enough of a stiff to assure Kimbo victory. Kimbo is fun, but reality is reality.

Still, it wasn’t Kimbo saying he was Tiger Woods. It wasn’t Kimbo who showed up with a racquetball in his ear, or hired the dancing girls or choreographed the WWE introductions.

As frustrating as this was for many who love the sport, I don’t buy the argument that the card was a big negative for MMA. Yes its credibility was hurt with old media and some skeptics, but many potential fans were exposed to it for the first time.

Some of them will stick around and discover the upper reaches of the sport. If Sunday’s WEC card highlighted by the Jens Pulver-Urijah Faber epic had been on CBS, then the sport would have shot into the stratosphere overnight. The same is true for any UFC production or, most likely, next month’s promising Affliction event.

If new fans watch those, soon they too will realize what first introduced them to the sport was mostly just an entertaining joke.

Now, if only CBS could realize it. Not since someone decided to make a television show about the Geico Cavemen has a network been sold such a bill of goods.

CBS tried to claim it was wary of MMA because of its old perception as “human cockfighting.” That hasn’t been a reality in over a decade, though. Naturally, they contracted an organization that played on that very stereotype and, in turn, furthered it.

If CBS would dump Elite XC but stick with MMA – finding a more suitable promotion to televise – they’d find the good overnight ratings it produced could build into a juggernaut over time.

Not by providing minor league fights long on unintentional comedy that insult hardcore fans, but by trusting the sport on its own merits.

If we could get that fixed, there’d be no complaints.

[Nicey]

Funny you say that.
Joe rogan claims MMA has come further in a decade of UFC than it has in the preceding 700 years lol.
Funny thing is, he may actually have a point.

Joe Rogan is one clever mother ****er, knows his MMA and can even mix it up in the ring ... top man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n-N6Rqc_Jk

[Nicey]

This is an interesting artical on saturdays debacle.


By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Many long-time mixed martial arts fans think Saturday’s Kimbo Slice fight on CBS was fixed because, well, it looked exactly like what they think a fixed fight would look like.

Personally, I don’t think it was rigged, if only because it worked. Kimbo, the obvious beneficiary since the entire promotion hinges on his success, won. For Elite XC to purposely deliver this desirable result would display a level of competency not seen in any other part of its amateur hour production.

But that’s just me. In the days after the first ever network televised card, everyone seems to have an opinion.

It generally splits into two groups.

Moderate to hardcore fans saw it as an abomination of their sport; CBS and Elite XC combining to produce a circus act headlined by an overhyped Kimbo that set the perception of MMA back a decade.
ADVERTISEMENT

New and casual fans saw it as great entertainment, especially considering it was on late Saturday night where the expectations of programming aren’t real high, although some viewers undoubtedly were.

Both sides are correct; it’s simply a matter of perspective.

If you’re a fan of MMA, then what Elite XC trotted out as a main event was mostly an absurd exhibition. It’s like tuning in for the NBA Finals and finding the And 1 Mixtape Tour – only with announcers pretending Hot Sauce is a better player than Kobe Bryant.

This was entirely predictable. Any promotion that was going to use Kimbo Slice as its main event clearly cared nothing about the quality or growth of the sport. It was just grabbing cheap viewers. If that meant sending a mostly unskilled street fighting sensation against a guy who was such a tomato can he should have dressed in red, then so be it.

Of course, the tomato can, James “Colossus” Thompson, almost won. At least, until the fight got stopped, Kimbo was declared the winner and MMA message boards almost collapsed in fury.

But if you didn’t know, or care, then you didn’t know or care. This was better than reruns of “Walker, Texas Ranger.”

What the main event lacked in quality it made up for in entertainment, unintentional or not. Here are my four favorite absurdly hysterical moments of the Kimbo-Colossus fight.

4. When the fight was called, Colossus, the loser, tried to fight the ref for unfairly ending it. Kimbo, the winner, collapsed in exhaustion as many in the once pro-Kimbo crowd in Newark, N.J., turned on their guy. Not exactly a victory lap.

3. The CBS announcing crew’s endless hyperbole reaching its pinnacle when one of them compared Kimbo to Tiger Woods.

This would be applicable if Tiger had gained fame hitting trick shots in putt putt and then was invited to a second rate club championship which CBS was conned into televising. He then shot a final round 124, after which he was declared the winner anyway.

2. The judges. Kimbo spent most of the second round getting his skull hit and thanking the heavens that Colossus could only manage weak punches and elbows. Anyone else and this ends ugly. Even with Colossus, the fight could have been called (ha) in this undeniably terrible round for Kimbo.

Naturally, one of the “impartial judges” scored the round in his favor anyway. If this had gone to decision, is there any doubt at least one of the judges would have scored the three-round fight for Kimbo, five rounds to zero?

1. The Ear. What, you’ve seen an ear like that before? When everyone predicted this would be a freak show, no one thought the Colossus would take it to heart. His cauliflower ear was massive, this huge ball of blood and puss hanging off his head.

Ah, didn’t anyone think to mention he might want to drain that thing before Kimbo whacks him upside the head and makes it explode? Which, of course, happened.

Pre-fight, as the cameras zoomed in on that monstrosity everyone watching was horrified, fascinated or laughing uncontrollably. It was something out of a summer comedy; I kept expecting Verne Troyer to appear in the scene. CBS’s Gus Johnson declared it an “alien life form.”

This was the stuff that pained longtime fans. For the average person just looking for something to watch, though, this train wreck was wildly entertaining. At the very least, it was memorable. Not everyone is concerned about the integrity of cage fighting.

It’s worth repeating that Kimbo Slice isn’t the problem. He may have a long way to go to be even a good MMA fighter, but he is an easy-to-root-for American original. He shouldn’t apologize for suddenly having a chance to make a bunch of money.

If out of the blue the New York Yankees called and said you could have Alex Rodriguez’s third base position (and contract), you’d take it. Then you’d spend every waking minute at the batting cage and taking grounders, all while walking around scared senseless that this was going to end badly (except for your bank account) when they realized you aren’t a major league ball player.

That’s what Kimbo looked like in the run up to this one. He’s training as hard as he can, but he has to know the truth. Fedor Emelianenko, the best heavyweight in the world, would toy with him. Every heavyweight and light heavyweight in the UFC would beat him handily. Even some middleweights, such as Anderson Silva, despite giving up 50-plus pounds, would take him. It’s just a matter of MMA being a lot more than a street brawl. He’s on their turf now.

Colossus has now lost seven of his last nine fights and he wasn’t enough of a stiff to assure Kimbo victory. Kimbo is fun, but reality is reality.

Still, it wasn’t Kimbo saying he was Tiger Woods. It wasn’t Kimbo who showed up with a racquetball in his ear, or hired the dancing girls or choreographed the WWE introductions.

As frustrating as this was for many who love the sport, I don’t buy the argument that the card was a big negative for MMA. Yes its credibility was hurt with old media and some skeptics, but many potential fans were exposed to it for the first time.

Some of them will stick around and discover the upper reaches of the sport. If Sunday’s WEC card highlighted by the Jens Pulver-Urijah Faber epic had been on CBS, then the sport would have shot into the stratosphere overnight. The same is true for any UFC production or, most likely, next month’s promising Affliction event.

If new fans watch those, soon they too will realize what first introduced them to the sport was mostly just an entertaining joke.

Now, if only CBS could realize it. Not since someone decided to make a television show about the Geico Cavemen has a network been sold such a bill of goods.

CBS tried to claim it was wary of MMA because of its old perception as “human cockfighting.” That hasn’t been a reality in over a decade, though. Naturally, they contracted an organization that played on that very stereotype and, in turn, furthered it.

If CBS would dump Elite XC but stick with MMA – finding a more suitable promotion to televise – they’d find the good overnight ratings it produced could build into a juggernaut over time.

Not by providing minor league fights long on unintentional comedy that insult hardcore fans, but by trusting the sport on its own merits.

If we could get that fixed, there’d be no complaints.

Good article but it was definetly fixed ... Kimbo tapped, the fight should have been stopped twice The ref is threatening to stand them up becuase of no action, as thompson has him in side month and elbowing him in the face, each time kimbo did the slightest thing the commentators light up like ****ing christmass trees and one judge had the bare face adacity to give round 2 to kimbo ...his worst round by far ,.....

[chadrtc]

I'm not sure he did tap after watching it again. He sticks his thumb up to say he's ok to the ref. I agree about the premature stand ups and the commentary making him out to be some kind of legend of the sport. As for a judge scoring the 2nd round to Kimbo, that really reeks.

I do think the fight could've been stopped in the 2nd round as Kimbo was pinned up against the cage for 90 seconds without even trying to advance his position or defend himself.

I can't think of many MMA fights where a fighter has been stopped whilst still standing either. The whole thing was a horror show.

[bazza76]

Just watched the 2nd and third rounds on youtube. The ref is a joke, he is supposed to stop the fight when the fighter can't intelligently defend himself or gets knocked out. Neither happened.
I wouldn't be surprised that after the second round someone had words with the ref.

[Nicey]

hes a UFC ref aswell ...The whole thing was a joke... i cant stand thompson