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Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
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Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
To think he could run that fast as well as moonwalk, sing and dance, is quite remarkable. RIP Michael.
He's not dead. He's currently bowling out England.
Although I'm not sure it's actually necessary to be alive to do that..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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I found two interesting aspect to the discussion as to whether Golf is a more a sport or more a game...
First of all the supreme court allowed in 2001 a disabled player to participate in the PGA tour, after first being refused by the PGA tour board. He where allowed to drive a golf court through the court while playing, and it was ruled that it didn't fundamentally alter the nature of the game. So apparently walking is not even a fundamental requirement of participating in the professional sport. (Btw not a dig at disabled people before someone gets started on that).
Secondly we could also take the discussion from the starting point of all competitive sport - the classical Olympics. They where started in Greece to show tribute to their Gods and the 3 superior physical virtues: Strength (Hercules), Stamina (Aphrodite) and Speed (Hermes). All sports can be attributed to one of these qualities or a mixture of them. So my question is, which does golf require? My experience playing it would say none of them.
And also any activity you participate in, where you can eat a hot dog while doing it cannot be categorized as a sport
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Eh? Golf clearly requires strength. Tiger Woods hits the ball absolutely miles and miles and it gives him a distinct advantage. Drive for show and putt for dough, yes, but if you hit the ball miles you’ve got a clear headstart. Stamina also helps, especially when you’re playing 36 holes in a day. Golfers play tired shots towards the end of a round, especially unfit ones like me.
Buggies are not allowed on the PGA Tour. Okay so they made an exception for one disabled player.
You can’t eat a hot dog and play golf at the same time – you can’t eat one mid-shot. You could eat one between shots. A goalkeeper could stand there and eat a hot dog while play is at the other end, does that make football not a sport?
You can eat a hot-dog ‘during’ a game of tennis. In fact, they regularly eat bananas etc.
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Come one Shaggy, Golf does not require strength to play at a top level. It can determine how far you get on your drive, but overall it doesn't make a difference if you shoot 220m or 240, on your first shot, the distance thereafter is still within range of everyone.
Also you are contradicting yourself here mate. Your state that stamina is required to walk 36 holes a day, but it is not a part of the game in your hot dog argument, hence it can't be required... So either the part you walk are a part of the game or it's not... Also the supreme court ruled that a buggy did not fundamentally alter the nature of game, which is saying it doesn't matter if you can walk or not in the game, so stamina is not a requirement.
But perhaps I need to revise my view on GK
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The 'eating a hot dog during a shot' canard is not a valid argument. Golfers increasingly eat bananas during their rounds to make them look like proper sportsmen and women. Some golfers don't eat bananas at all while other golfers - Montgomerie, etc. - eat pies.
Of course they don't eat them mid-shot but tennis players don't either and goalkeepers don't eat hot dogs or bananas at all. I mean, they could but then again they could inject heroin while the ball is up the other end. Some suspect David James used to do this when we played Newcastle but this is not true.
Also, professional golfers very rarely play 36 holes in a day. And, on the few occasions they do, they stop for f*cking lunch.
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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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I don’t care what the supreme court said. The rules state you cannot compete on the PGA Tour and use a buggy.
To claim you don’t need strength to play golf is totally disingenuous. It’s not only the first shot that requires brute strength. Plenty of long irons require the same, whether it’s to clear a water hazard, bunkers or whatever. Also the biggest hitters don’t out-drive the regulars by 20 yards, sometimes it’s near on 100 yards.
You made a point that you can eat a hot dog while you play golf. Okay, let’s go along with that. By exactly the same token you can eat a hot dog while you play tennis. So what’s your point?
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Golf is predominantly a game of skill, along with bowling, and is not a sport imo.Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom-2 years1year0.5 yearsComment
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Well given that golf is a staple of the sports channels then, seeing as golf isn’t a sport after all, perhaps the big broadcasters had better set up designated Skill channels. Sky Skills 1, 2 & 3, featuring golf, bowls, snooker and darts.
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There are tons and tons of so called Olympic sports that require none of the attributes you mention above. Bowling, shooting, equestrian, curling, the list goes on and on. Why take your definition from how primitive life was hundreds of years ago, we've moved on, so has sport.Originally posted by Darkon View PostI found two interesting aspect to the discussion as to whether Golf is a more a sport or more a game...
First of all the supreme court allowed in 2001 a disabled player to participate in the PGA tour, after first being refused by the PGA tour board. He where allowed to drive a golf court through the court while playing, and it was ruled that it didn't fundamentally alter the nature of the game. So apparently walking is not even a fundamental requirement of participating in the professional sport. (Btw not a dig at disabled people before someone gets started on that).
Secondly we could also take the discussion from the starting point of all competitive sport - the classical Olympics. They where started in Greece to show tribute to their Gods and the 3 superior physical virtues: Strength (Hercules), Stamina (Aphrodite) and Speed (Hermes). All sports can be attributed to one of these qualities or a mixture of them. So my question is, which does golf require? My experience playing it would say none of them.
And also any activity you participate in, where you can eat a hot dog while doing it cannot be categorized as a sport
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As you say tho, darts and snooker also feature heavily on Sky Sports, but i would class neither of them as sports either. Hell, WWE is on their too, and that's Am-dram at it's best!Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View PostWell given that golf is a staple of the sports channels then, seeing as golf isn’t a sport after all, perhaps the big broadcasters had better set up designated Skill channels. Sky Skills 1, 2 & 3, featuring golf, bowls, snooker and darts.
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My point, my dear chap, was I was refuting the idea that you can't eat a hot dog while playing golf but you can while playing in goal. A point I thought you were making.Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View PostI don’t care what the supreme court said. The rules state you cannot compete on the PGA Tour and use a buggy.
To claim you don’t need strength to play golf is totally disingenuous. It’s not only the first shot that requires brute strength. Plenty of long irons require the same, whether it’s to clear a water hazard, bunkers or whatever. Also the biggest hitters don’t out-drive the regulars by 20 yards, sometimes it’s near on 100 yards.
You made a point that you can eat a hot dog while you play golf. Okay, let’s go along with that. By exactly the same token you can eat a hot dog while you play tennis. So what’s your point?
The definitive argument has to be that it's not a proper sport if a dog can't do it. Football, swimming, running, cycling...these are proper sports on the dogometer. Show me a dog playing cricket, golf or darts and I'll revise my opinion on them.
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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Originally posted by Neil Young View PostMy point, my dear chap, was I was refuting the idea that you can't eat a hot dog while playing golf but you can while playing in goal. A point I thought you were making.
The definitive argument has to be that it's not a proper sport if a dog can't do it. Football, swimming, running, cycling...these are proper sports on the dogometer. Show me a dog playing cricket, golf or darts and I'll revise my opinion on them.
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Pool is definitely a sport then. The other two don't count because, erm, they're drawings. Ricky Gervais has conclusively proved that drawings don't count as evidence..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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