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You were obviously half asleep when you watched the fight then because that is so far from the truth.Originally posted by Vermilion View Post
Starting to look his age now.
I think a minority of people are reading too much into those flurries by Ortiz. Whilst he caught Mayweather a few times most of his pucnhes didn't land or were just hitting Mayweather's arms. I think Mayweather deserves some credit today. I remember before the Hatton fight people were saying Mayweather can only fight on the outside but if you look at the Hatton fight, most notably Mosley and Ortiz, he has took the fight to them and still kept coming forward. He seems to want to prove that he is versatile. If he wants to shut out a fighter and fight at his pace he can, if he wants to press the attack he can do this also.
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People have a go at Mayweather regardless of what he does. I do agree that he's picked his fights to a degree, but he gets into the ring every time and wins. i.e. Gatti was "damaged goods", Hatton and Marquez were smaller men, Mosley and Oscar were past it. When he finally gets into the ring with a hard hitting, young Southpaw, Ortiz; he's dodging Khan and Pacquiao etc etc.
Yes, he has dodged Clottey, Margarito, Cotto and other quality welterweights in the division but I'm still of the opinion that they would've faced similar repercussions that Ortiz and Mosley did. Especially Cotto, whom I regard the best of them but is terribly technically flawed. Mosley 6 years ago would've been a different story but who knows really.
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just seen the final round on youtube
it wasn't as bad as i expected - the hype around it i was expecting a real real cheap shot from mayweather.
Whilst it wasn't pretty or classy by mayweather, you cna't blame him too much he saw a chance, made a split second decision and took it - on the verge of unsporting yes - however it was bad error by ortiz and also bad refereeing too - ortiz should have apologised once and got the hell away from mayweather until the referee was actually back involved with the fight.
I still think mayweathers a prick though
and had it been the other way round I would have pissed myself laughing
i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do
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I've only just seen the video on youtube of the interview after the fight, good on Larry Merchant for giving it back to Mayweather
"If i was 50 years younger I'd kick your ass"
I've always hated the Floyd "Money" Mayweather tag, makes him sound like an even bigger bellend than he already isWe managed to rectify it, though, because it now says, "Cook" where it once said "Cock", and "Pass" where it once said "Piss", so it’s slightly less rude.
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Not related to this fight, but may as well go here:
Allegations of deal to fix 2012 Olympic boxing medals
22 September 11 22:01
By Anna Adams and Meirion Jones
BBC Newsnight
BBC Newsnight has uncovered evidence of secret payments of millions of dollars from Azerbaijan to international boxing organisation World Series Boxing (WSB).
Whistleblowers say that WSB's chief claimed the money was in return for a guarantee that Azerbaijani fighters would win two boxing gold medals at the London 2012 Olympics.
The boxing organiser at the Olympics, AIBA, admits an Azeri national paid $9m (£5.9m) to one of their competitions.
But they deny any deal to fix medals.
Lawyers for the International Amateur Boxing Association (AIBA) told the BBC that any such allegation was "preposterous and utterly untrue".
That view was backed by AIBA President Dr Ching-Kuo Wu, who told Newsnight that the claims were "totally untrue and ludicrous", adding that "WSB is conducted in a totally transparent way".
However, he said that AIBA had a zero tolerance policy on corruption and that he would conduct an immediate investigation into the allegations.
The AIBA is the international governing body for the sport of boxing recognised by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). World Series Boxing, a franchised league of professional boxing, is one of its initiatives.
Whistleblowers from inside boxing approached Newsnight with allegations about the Chief Operating Officer of the AIBA's World Series Boxing (WSB), Ivan Khodabakhsh.
WSB had run into financial difficulties in America and was in need of funding.
'Medals being sold'
The insiders said Mr Khodabakhsh told them that a secret deal had been done to secure funding from Azerbaijan in return for manipulation of the Olympic boxing tournament to guarantee gold medals for Azerbaijani fighters.
One insider told Newsnight: "Ivan boasted to a few of us that there was no need to worry about World Series Boxing having the coin to pay its bills. As long as the Azeris got their medals, WSB would have the cash."
Another said that Mr Khodabakhsh came in and said: "We are safe now - Azerbaijan came in - we have to give them medals for that."
"He was talking about gold medals in London in return for millions of dollars of secret payments," the insider added. "Medals are being sold so blatantly it's amazing."
But Mr Khodabakhsh told Newsnight that claims that there was any deal with Azerbaijan were "an absolute lie".
"I deny that I have offered anyone two gold medals or have any understanding that anybody else has offered two gold medals to Azerbaijan," he added.
AIBA has previously claimed that the money for WSB America came from a private Swiss company, but documents obtained by Newsnight show communications between Mr Khodabakhsh, AIBA executive director Ho Kim and Azerbaijan's Minister for Emergency Situations Kamaladdin Heydarov about an investment agreement for a $10m loan.
These include an e-mail from Mr Khodabakhsh to the ministry in Azerbaijan with the following request: "Please transfer the investment money soonest possible to the WSB America account."
'Go-between'
Newsnight interviewed Mr Khodabakhsh earlier this month in Switzerland, where WSB have offices, and asked him about the source of the money.
"The money for WSB America came from an investment company here based in Switzerland," he said.
However, lawyers for AIBA and WSB, have now confirmed that although the money was paid through a Swiss company it actually came from Azerbaijan. But they deny that it was from the government there.
They say that the government minister, Mr Heydarov, introduced a private Azerbaijani investor to WSB and that the minister and his assistant acted as the interface between the two since the investor did not speak good English.
Newsnight tried to contact Mr Heydarov via his office, but has received no response.
To date the anonymous investor has contributed $9m to WSB America.
Sporting events promoter Barry Hearn was asked to look at the economics of WSB when it was first mooted in 2009 and came to the conclusion that it could not make money.
He told Newsnight he was surprised that any investor would think that it offered the opportunity for high returns:
"If an investor comes into this scheme with $10m I can only think he's arrived from another planet".
There have been repeated allegations of corruption in Olympic boxing competitions.
The legendary boxing commentator Jim Neilly told Newsnight "There have been enough incidences down the years to suggest there has been collusion".
Speaking to Newsnight, AIBA President Dr Wu said his organisation had spent the last four years "cleaning the house of boxing" and that any corruption or manipulation within the sport was not tolerated.Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom-2 years1year0.5 years
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Nah, past it. Picks opponents and runs away from the toe to toe stuff in fight, except from women.Originally posted by marcus50bucks View PostYou were obviously half asleep when you watched the fight then because that is so far from the truth.
I think a minority of people are reading too much into those flurries by Ortiz. Whilst he caught Mayweather a few times most of his pucnhes didn't land or were just hitting Mayweather's arms. I think Mayweather deserves some credit today. I remember before the Hatton fight people were saying Mayweather can only fight on the outside but if you look at the Hatton fight, most notably Mosley and Ortiz, he has took the fight to them and still kept coming forward. He seems to want to prove that he is versatile. If he wants to shut out a fighter and fight at his pace he can, if he wants to press the attack he can do this also. 
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So you don't think they'll reach Fwanks target of 100,000 subscribers?
If they can secure Top Rank and Golden Boy cards then it's a win.
JMM vs Pac may well be the litmus test of the channel. If that goes to PPV on Prime Time or just regular Sky then i won't hold out too much hope for Box Nation in the long run.
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I think he was deluding himself with that number, he obviously knows far more about this **** than me though so its likely im wrong but I didnt like his reasoning, he was saying stuff like such and such fight on skysports had 160k watching it so it proves the customer base is there. Big skysports fights tend to get between 130k and 180k viewers or so, are 100k of that really going to part with an extra £120 a year? I'm not so sure.
And while it'd be an awesome channel if they had Donaire, Gamboa etc being shown regularly im not sure that'd bring in many more customers, when setanta had the big US fights they were only doing 10k or so for Miguel Cotto fights and thats with loads of people who already got the channel for football anyway.
I dont think theres much of a customer base there but I guess it depends on how high his outgoings will be, he might get some good deals with promoters, advertising etc.
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