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    The funding argument is interesting as is:


    Olympics 'dominated by privately educated'


    Too many of Britain's top sportsmen and women were educated privately, the country's Olympic chief has said.

    Lord Moynihan said it was wholly unacceptable that more than 50% of medallists at the Beijing Olympics came from independent schools.

    He described it as one of the "worst statistics in British sport".

    He said it meant half of Great Britain's medals came from just 7% of the population who are privately educated.

    Chairman of the British Olympic Association Lord Moynihan called for an urgent overhaul of school sport policy, saying private school dominance of sports was "wholly unacceptable".
    'Future priority'

    He said: "There is so much talent out there in the 93% that should be identified and developed.

    "That has got to be a priority for future sports policy. I have spoken about it many times and I will continue to speak about it until there is not breath left in me."

    Lord Moynihan said Olympic sport should aim to have the same ratio of state to private school pupils as football.

    "Football is different, it is an interesting example. The balance of professional football is that around 7% of players come from the private sector, which is an absolute mirror image of society.

    "That should be the case in every single sport and that should be the priority in each and every sport and that is something that every government should strive for. The way you do it is you focus on a sports policy that is primarily geared to providing a sporting opportunity."

    Around 7% of children in the country are privately educated, but at the last Olympics one third of Team GB went to independent schools, nearly 40% of British medal winners, and 50% of gold medallists.

    They included multiple gold medallists Sir Chris Hoy, a product of George Watson's College in Edinburgh and Ben Ainslie, who went to Truro School in Cornwall, and every single one of the equestrian medallists.
    'Imbalance'

    Private schools can usually afford to devote more time to sport, and have better facilities and often top-class coaches.

    That is especially the case in sports where the basic cost of taking part is high, such as equestrian events and sailing.

    Rowing has already taken action to address the imbalance - with Moe Sbihi, who won bronze in the men's eight yesterday, one of the beneficiaries.

    A programme was launched more than a decade ago to pick teenagers with the necessary physique from comprehensive schools to become elite rowers.

    At this Games, 50% of the rowing team are from state schools.
    'Financial pressures'

    The comments come as the Charities Aid Foundation release figures showing that the income of local sports clubs and charities fell 15% in real terms since 2004. This was the year before London secured the 2012 Olympics bid.

    The analysis reveals a bleak picture for community sport at a time when ministers are keen to secure a legacy to the games.

    It is the amateur spots clubs and charities that are key to helping sportsmen and women from less advantaged backgrounds.

    Richard Harrison, director of research at CAF, said the last eight years had been tough for many sports clubs and charities, particularly the smaller ones.

    "The financial pressures facing many community charities, running sports clubs, maintaining playing fields and keeping local facilities open, mirrors the difficult financial climate facing many charities."

    He adds: "We need people to keep backing local sports clubs and charities as well, to ensure they can continue to support grassroots sport, and all the other causes we care about."


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      Originally posted by Tee View Post
      Bolt is huge haha....he was cruising round the track and in the bend he looked like a monster. It was over too quick though.... He was really playing to the crowd...loves it he does.
      didnt they used to say that you couldnt be tall and a sprinter.

      he has elastic legs or something and can store energy in them.

      is he a one off?

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        will be tough for our lads to get a medal in the hockey but i will be cheering them on loudly.

        obviously being anti them while cheering them on

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          Originally posted by CJ View Post
          get off your high horse you divisive tool.

          the table showed public funding then people were comparing the amount spent per medal for cycling to say diving.

          what i am saying is that maybe diving had alot of funding to provide facilities. Also cycling has benifited from funding from sky. so it doesnt provide the whole picture and leads to unfair or misleading comparisons.

          if for instance diving or whatever had been funded for new facilities then to make it like for like then you would need to think about the velodrome.

          not everything is an attack on your beloved cycling neil.

          very simply that table is misleading if your using it to show the cost of every gold medal.



          well saying the velodrome and the backing sky have given cycling has helped them is now an attack on cycling well thats a new one
          So you don't know whether diving paid for facilities, but you choose to guess they may be. Great. Any more guesses that back up your point?

          Sky has been subsidising British Cycling since the end of 2008. As British Cycling has been enormously successful since well before then, I think you need to find another straw man.

          What the table shows is that cycling does a better job with public money than other sports. That's largely because it has become amazingly well organised.

          Others recognise this, whether they're in other British sports, or from abroad.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



          May the Lord bless this post.

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            Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
            So you don't know whether diving paid for facilities, but you choose to guess they may be. Great. Any more guesses that back up your point?

            Sky has been subsidising British Cycling since the end of 2008. As British Cycling has been enormously successful since well before then, I think you need to find another straw man.

            What the table shows is that cycling does a better job with public money than other sports. That's largely because it has become amazingly well organised.

            Others recognise this, whether they're in other British sports, or from abroad.

            its fairly meaningless thing to recognize.

            for all your marsh hates cycling nonesense i have celebrated every gold even the ones i have not understood.

            to turn a simple that table is incomplete in terms of sports funding and leads to meaningless conclusions into a marsh hates sport is silyl even for you

            still it seems we are in one of these someone doesnt agree with Neil moments again.

            you have your view i have mine. and both of them seem to be that the cycling had been great

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              Sailing is doing poor, but we should take another medal today and we are in with a very good should of 2 more. Still, not a great haul for that cash.


              Also going very well in Triathlon at the moment

              Edit: Oh I am about 60 posts behind on the medal/investment response
              Football without Origi is nothing

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                Blake 'my foot was cold'
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                  Originally posted by Tee View Post
                  Bolt is huge haha....he was cruising round the track and in the bend he looked like a monster. It was over too quick though.... He was really playing to the crowd...loves it he does.
                  Glad you're enjoying it Tee!

                  You've probably not had a chance to keep up on the football threads while you're at the stadium but I thought you'd like to know we've just agreed loan deals with Madrid for Kaka and Nuri Sahin!

                  Thought that might cheer you up as you've been on a bit of downer with all things LFC-related.

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                    Originally posted by CJ View Post
                    its fairly meaningless thing to recognize.

                    for all your marsh hates cycling nonesense i have celebrated every gold even the ones i have not understood.

                    to turn a simple that table is incomplete in terms of sports funding and leads to meaningless conclusions into a marsh hates sport is silyl even for you

                    still it seems we are in one of these someone doesnt agree with Neil moments again.

                    you have your view i have mine. and both of them seem to be that the cycling had been great
                    I think you're taking the table both far too seriously and yet also not seriously enough. Is it the whole truth about everything? No. But it gives an indication on how well each sport is doing compared to the level of subsidy it receives.

                    Still, let's not look at the medal table because, for what seem to be purely arbitrary reasons, it doesn't show who finished fourth.
                    .
                    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                    May the Lord bless this post.

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                      Originally posted by Tee View Post
                      Bolt is huge haha....he was cruising round the track and in the bend he looked like a monster. It was over too quick though.... He was really playing to the crowd...loves it he does.
                      cause he is black
                      People who think there's no good way to die have obviously never heard the phrase 'Drug-fuelled-sex-heart-attack'.

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                        Originally posted by Pablo1981 View Post
                        Glad you're enjoying it Tee!

                        You've probably not had a chance to keep up on the football threads while you're at the stadium but I thought you'd like to know we've just agreed loan deals with Madrid for Kaka and Nuri Sahin!

                        Thought that might cheer you up as you've been on a bit of downer with all things LFC-related.
                        Haha u mentalist Pabs.

                        Loans? FFS. We are now a charity case.

                        Got to go...final heat of the men's and a Brit is running......

                        Last edited by Tee; 05-06-13, 10:24 AM.
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                          Phillips Idowu, failed to qualify for the final stages of the triple jump earlier today and has told BBC Radio 5 live that he receives no funding from UK Athletics.

                          "I am not lottery funded. I have not been lottery funded for at least three years. I pay for my own medical, I pay for my own physio and I will pay for my own surgery," he said.

                          "There is no association between me and UKAA, if you can find a form that I have signed that says I received money from UKAA then hold me accountable but over the last three years I have been out there and won world titles, world silver medals, Olympic silver medals and I have done that out of my own pocket."

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                            Why though?
                            *Except Michael, who died.

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                              Been a lively debate on the radio loads of people contacting 5live saying Idowu is out of order and is arrogant etc.

                              Darren Campbell walked off at one point as he was getting that annoyed with the texts coming in.
                              Last edited by Chazza; 07-08-12, 12:46 PM.

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                                Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                                I think you're taking the table both far too seriously and yet also not seriously enough. Is it the whole truth about everything? No. But it gives an indication on how well each sport is doing compared to the level of subsidy it receives.

                                Still, let's not look at the medal table because, for what seem to be purely arbitrary reasons, it doesn't show who finished fourth.
                                the level of subsidy could be a fraction of the sports budget or it could be the majority. that would change the meaning of the table quite considerably

                                also if that table had been done the year of the building of the velodrome it would have cost a lot more per medal wouldnt it

                                anyway its a very simple point and if it wasnt cycling you would probably be agreeing

                                anyway taking you off ignore as you requested seems to have been a bad move.

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