Boxing

[Nicey]

What about amateur boxing, are there more thrills to be found there?

A number of Boxing people I know said as much, they only watch amatuer now .... I spoke to a friend of mine who is boxing coach asking about old fights to watch .. as to be honest I have not watched a whole lot of boxing so .. I could not tell you the results of any fights and he reccomened I watch the following fights Duran Barkley, Castillo Corrales, Ali Frazier 3 I literally cannot wait

[Doc_Piptorious]

Stylistically he would give Mayweather problems. I've said this in the past and there is a reason many boxing experts feel the same. I actually think Khan would be a harder fight for Floyd than Pacquiao. I just don't think he deserves to be the next in line.

Why would he? Mayweather jr has faced at least a dozen fighters whose styles were meant to be capable of causing him problems.



I don't see anything in Khan's style that would be superior to what Mayweather jr has already faced, and physically Khan has nothing that Mayweather jr has not overcome.

The only thing that would beat Mayweather jr is time, and at 38 years of age he is coming close to reaching that stage of his career. But 38 or not he should still have way too much for Khan to beat him.

[RichC]

Yup he's fought and beaten better fighters than Khan with all sorts of tactics to beat him and haven't managed it in fact I'd fully expect Manny to stop Khan.

Age is a factor but the way he's fought over the years has left him as a pretty young 38 year old he's just not been forced into many tough fights.

[spud_gun]

Funny that hey ... there is no getting away his god given talent.. but for me he is the poster boy for all that is wrong with Boxing, even boxing people have long become disillusioned with Boxing

That fight was supposedly a fight for the ages ... two of the best pound for pound fighters on the planet ... rarified boxing air .... I am sorry that was utterly boring to watch, sure Mayweathers defence is magical at times but he just ground out a boring victory .. he did nothing to please the fans ... he did what he had to do .. to use his own words ... great Champions do more ... Unfortunately MMA has stated to go the way of boxing ... less about the sport and more about the promotion / event

What exactly were you expecting on Saturday? Mayweather is able to box at the very highest level at aged 38 because he doesn't get in wars. The guys with the face first style of defence don't have the longevity.

It's churlish to say that Saturday was boring. It smacks more of ignorance on your part. I'd quite happily suggest that you and numerous others who're now pissing and moaning about the fight on Saturday didn't know exactly what they were buying.

Sure you bought a boxing PPV but it was a PPV featuring one of the best pure boxers in the world and a defensive genius against a boxer who hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 years and who has struggled in recent years.

It may not have lived up to the insane level of hype that surrounded it but very, very few fevents given such a billing ever do.

If you're looking for a slugfest then watch the Saul Alvarez vs James Kirkland fight on Saturday. It's got the potential to be an all out war.

[Fosterbloke]

What exactly were you expecting on Saturday? Mayweather is able to box at the very highest level at aged 38 because he doesn't get in wars. The guys with the face first style of defence don't have the longevity.

It's churlish to say that Saturday was boring. It smacks more of ignorance on your part. I'd quite happily suggest that you and numerous others who're now pissing and moaning about the fight on Saturday didn't know exactly what they were buying.

Sure you bought a boxing PPV but it was a PPV featuring one of the best pure boxers in the world and a defensive genius against a boxer who hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 years and who has struggled in recent years.

It may not have lived up to the insane level of hype that surrounded it but very, very few fevents given such a billing ever do.

If you're looking for a slugfest then watch the Saul Alvarez vs James Kirkland fight on Saturday. It's got the potential to be an all out war.

I guess everyone that thinks along these lines will not say a word when we face another bore fest against Chelsea...

[RichC]

What exactly were you expecting on Saturday? Mayweather is able to box at the very highest level at aged 38 because he doesn't get in wars. The guys with the face first style of defence don't have the longevity.

It's churlish to say that Saturday was boring. It smacks more of ignorance on your part. I'd quite happily suggest that you and numerous others who're now pissing and moaning about the fight on Saturday didn't know exactly what they were buying.

Sure you bought a boxing PPV but it was a PPV featuring one of the best pure boxers in the world and a defensive genius against a boxer who hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 years and who has struggled in recent years.

It may not have lived up to the insane level of hype that surrounded it but very, very few fevents given such a billing ever do.

If you're looking for a slugfest then watch the Saul Alvarez vs James Kirkland fight on Saturday. It's got the potential to be an all out war.

Yup, said after the fight Floyd put on a clinic, he's pure boxer than hits and doesn't get hit by great defence. It's not perhaps what people want to watch and would rather see two fighters plant their feet and swing at each other in the centre of the ring but that's not what Mayweather is about and he doesn't need to be either.

One of the best pure boxers ever IMO

[Doc_Piptorious]

Yup he's fought and beaten better fighters than Khan with all sorts of tactics to beat him and haven't managed it in fact I'd fully expect Manny to stop Khan.

Age is a factor but the way he's fought over the years has left him as a pretty young 38 year old he's just not been forced into many tough fights.

He has taken on brawlers, heavy hitters, movers, technicians, aggressive fighters, defensive fighters, fighters with height and reach advantage, smaller fighters, and pretty much every tactic and style has been thrown at him.

I think because he has been around so long people start to forget some of the fighters he has beaten and also that he has shown that he can go into the trenches when he needs to.

Just because he chooses to nullify other fighters with his tried and tested D game does not mean he does not have a top class offensive game when needed.

I could see Khan vs Mayweather jr going in a similar manner to Hatton vs Mayweather jr. Floyd basically taking a few rounds to work out Khan's timing (and Khan as a result looking like he was in a 50/50 fight whilst Mayweather jr times him) and then taking control before forcing a stoppage.


As for Manny vs Khan. I suspect Khan would have a much better chance in that one. Manny post alleged "special drinks" is a very different fighter to the Manny that was allegedly getting "help" pre 2010. Whilst the Manny of 2015 is still a very good fighter and more than capable of beating Khan, I think that Khan has the tools to hold off and possible stop the 2015 Manny. My own guess is that Manny/Khan could be as close as being a 60/40 fight as they stand right now.

[marcus50bucks]

Why would he? Mayweather jr has faced at least a dozen fighters whose styles were meant to be capable of causing him problems.



I don't see anything in Khan's style that would be superior to what Mayweather jr has already faced, and physically Khan has nothing that Mayweather jr has not overcome.

The only thing that would beat Mayweather jr is time, and at 38 years of age he is coming close to reaching that stage of his career. But 38 or not he should still have way too much for Khan to beat him.

I may have given Khan stick in the past but if you check back on my posts in this thread I have always said his style would give Floyd some serious problems. It's his brain that has been put into question because he used to rush in whenever he got hit but now he fights a lot smarter imo. Styles make fights and for me Khan is the one fighter who has the tools to fight Mayweather on the outside and have success. He's got the height, reach, jab and the fact he also likes to control range to make it an interesting fight. I'm telling you now Khan would put up a better show than Manny. You can bet your bottom dollar it would be action packed too. I do think Floyd would adjust and figure him out down the stretch.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I may have given Khan stick in the past but if you check back on my posts in this thread I have always said his style would give Floyd some serious problems. It's his brain that has been put into question because he used to rush in whenever he got hit but now he fights a lot smarter imo. Styles make fights and for me Khan is the one fighter who has the tools to fight Mayweather on the outside and have success. He's got the height, reach, jab and the fact he also likes to control range to make it an interesting fight. I'm telling you now Khan would put up a better show than Manny. You can bet your bottom dollar it would be action packed too. I do think Floyd would adjust and figure him out down the stretch.

Khan has a shorter reach than Mayweather and is only something between a half inch and an inch taller.


Even if Khan had a genuine advantage in height and reach, which he does not, Mayweather jr has shown in the past exactly how he counters that, and one of the best examples would be against Corrales.

Corrales had genuine height, weight, and reach advantages. He was able to fight well on the inside along with having a lovely long range game. He brought stopping power, speed, durability, and a good mix of offensive and defensive qualities with him. Mayweather jr then schooled him and took his title belt.


De La Hoya had a similar height, reach, and weight advantage over Mayweather and whilst he did better than Corrales it was never a fight whose result was in any real doubt.

Pretty sure that Mosley also had a few inches of a height advantage over Mayweather.


If the Corrales circa 2001 or the De La Hoya circa 2007 were put in the ring with the 2015 Khan I would favour both to beat him.


Khan is exactly the sort of fighter that Mayweather would expose badly - Untested against a high level, leaves himself open after power shots, drops his left a lot, easy to read (which is fine against mid level fighters as Khan has too much ability usually for that level, but against the best it would become a major problem within three rounds), and not enough by way of technique/ring savvy to try to take on Mayweather at his own game.

[marcus50bucks]

Khan has a shorter reach than Mayweather and is only something between a half inch and an inch taller.


Even if Khan had a genuine advantage in height and reach, which he does not, Mayweather jr has shown in the past exactly how he counters that, and one of the best examples would be against Corrales.

Corrales had genuine height, weight, and reach advantages. He was able to fight well on the inside along with having a lovely long range game. He brought stopping power, speed, durability, and a good mix of offensive and defensive qualities with him. Mayweather jr then schooled him and took his title belt.


De La Hoya had a similar height, reach, and weight advantage over Mayweather and whilst he did better than Corrales it was never a fight whose result was in any real doubt.

Pretty sure that Mosley also had a few inches of a height advantage over Mayweather.


If the Corrales circa 2001 or the De La Hoya circa 2007 were put in the ring with the 2015 Khan I would favour both to beat him.


Khan is exactly the sort of fighter that Mayweather would expose badly - Untested against a high level, leaves himself open after power shots, drops his left a lot, easy to read (which is fine against mid level fighters as Khan has too much ability usually for that level, but against the best it would become a major problem within three rounds), and not enough by way of technique/ring savvy to try to take on Mayweather at his own game.

I actually never said Khan's reach was an advantage nevertheless the reach he does have is something to take note of because it could help him especially as he likes to control the distance.

Mentioning Corrales and De La Hoya is all well and good but we have to remember today's Floyd isn't the same Floyd that beat them both back then. He's a lot smarter the way he fights now but he's no longer at his peak. I guess what I am trying to to say is the 2001 version of Floyd would absolutely demolish Khan but today's Floyd would still beat him comfortably but Khan's definitely got the tools to give Floyd some problems before he eventually adjusts. And if he figures out Khan too late it's conceivable to believe he could find himself behind on the judges scorecard. Khan's work rate is pretty good and his quick flurries could easily catch the eyes of the judges.

[DannyMan2006]

Amir Khan is nowhere near the level of either fighter and would be easily beat by both if they trained properly. Can't believe people are thinking he'd give Mayweather a difficult fight.

[marcus50bucks]

Amir Khan is nowhere near the level of either fighter and would be easily beat by both if they trained properly. Can't believe people are thinking he'd give Mayweather a difficult fight.

Well boxing experts who have forgotten more about boxing than me and you are saying it so you better believe it

[fidget]

If/when Mayweather relinquishes his belts then retires after his next bout to be 49-0 you just know he'll be back one last time.
I actually think he'll do it against against a title holder rather than take an easier option.
50-0
I had £300 on the win at 1.51(in case he stopped him late) and £150 on points at 4-6.
Easiest money since the 8/13 for him to beat Hatton.
You can justifiably slag off Mayweather as a person but as a boxer he's beyond criticism.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I actually never said Khan's reach was an advantage nevertheless the reach he does have is something to take note of because it could help him especially as he likes to control the distance.

Mentioning Corrales and De La Hoya is all well and good but we have to remember today's Floyd isn't the same Floyd that beat them both back then. He's a lot smarter the way he fights now but he's no longer at his peak. I guess what I am trying to to say is the 2001 version of Floyd would absolutely demolish Khan but today's Floyd would still beat him comfortably but Khan's definitely got the tools to give Floyd some problems before he eventually adjusts. And if he figures out Khan too late it's conceivable to believe he could find himself behind on the judges scorecard. Khan's work rate is pretty good and his quick flurries could easily catch the eyes of the judges.

Why would the reach he has be something to take note of? It is nothing special for his height, and how he uses it to fight from range is nothing outstanding for a pro boxer.

Mayweather is pretty good at fighting at range when the mood tales him and he has a longer reach than Khan so don't see how Khan's shorter reach is any sort of plus for Khan over what Mayweather has and over what Mayweather can do with his own.

I do see the arguement you are making for Khan, but none of the qualities you mention that he brings to the table are outstanding and all are qualities that Mayweather has faced many times before. I think if we were talking about Khan going up against any other fighter then I would be inclined to agree with you, but Mayweather at 38 is still a few tiers above Khan in every department.

Yes Mayweather is not the fighter he was back in 2001 and 2007, but he is also a far more experienced and more savvy fighter than he was back then, and whilst he has probably slowed a little, his reading of other fighters has gotten a hell of a lot better.


If Mayweather and Khan meet before this year ends, and if it goes the distance, then I would be surprised if Khan won more than four rounds out of twelve. Personally though I think Mayweather would stop Khan around the 9th or 10th round after Khan looked like he was holding his own for the first three or so rounds.


The big thing for me if they were to meet, besides the difference in quality that exists between them, is the fact that Mayweather has met and beaten many fighters who have brought the same or a higher level of the qualities that Khan has to the table, whereas Khan has never beaten a single higher level fighter in his entire career let alone faced off against an elite level fighter like Mayweather. That difference in experience would be a big advantage if they were of equal ability, but when one is so much more talented than the other then such an advantage in experience would only serve to increase the chances of a Mayweather masterclass imo.

The very best I could see Khan doing is finishing with a similar score on the cards to what Manny did.

[marcus50bucks]

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I know people may find Malginaggi annoying but his boxing knowledge and the way he breaks down fights are right up there with the best. You've also got Roy Jones saying the same thing about Khan giving Mayweather problems. I think people are too quick to dismiss Khan's chances. Malignaggi is absolutely bang on when he said it's not easy to score points off Khan.