Boxing

[Gibbo]

Mayweather would destroy Manny on current form. IMO.

Pacman has said he wants number 5 btw.

[Bender]

Mayweather would destroy Manny on current form. IMO.

Pacman has said he wants number 5 btw.

[RichC]

no no he has demonstrated with each fight he is the best,but seems this fight is one which i don't think will happen and if it does manny is not the fighter he once was fmjr would i think ruthlessley destroy him

[Bender]

[Chazza]

Never a good sign when your family are telling you to jack it in.

Manny Pacquiao will not give up boxing, despite pleas from family

Manny Pacquiao is ignoring pleas from his mother and wife to stop boxing following his defeat by Mexican rival Juan Manuel Marquez.

The former eight-division world champion was knocked out by Marquez in the sixth round of their non-title fight in Las Vegas on Saturday.

Pacquiao, 33, listened to his wife Jinkee and mother Dionisia make tearful appeals for the Filipino to quit.

But he said: "I'm looking forward to a rest and then I'll be back to fight."

The defiant stance is at odds with the wishes of his wife Jinkee.

In a television interview she said: "When you see your husband get hurt, you cannot even sleep."

And when asked if she wanted her husband to retire from boxing, she said: "You know the answer to that. He knows what I am asking him."

Pacquiao's mother Dionisia made a separate appeal to her son, asking him to give up boxing and concentrate on his other interests - including his work as a congressman, hosting a television game show and Bible preaching.

"I have long asked you son, it is time to retire because you started boxing at such a young age. I always pray that he will stop. I asked God to tell my son to stop," she said.

Pacquiao, who started fighting professionally at the age of 16, insists his defeat was not a sign of a decline in his ability.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20666106

[reeviint]

Hatton is so ordinary it was a stroke of masterpiece getting so many people interested in this fight. Never mind the Sky coverage, the venue was packed out as well - to effectively watch a chump being outclassed to boost the prospect's profile for future fights.

[Chazza]

Huge right from Juan Manuel Márquez hands round-robin cards to Bob Arum

Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao are back in the frame for a re-energised welterweight division

The seemingly ageless promoter Bob Arum has a new challenge: persuading the similarly clock-defying Floyd Mayweather Jr to fight Juan Manuel Márquez and the Mexican's newly humbled foe, Manny Pacquiao, in 2013. Early signs are that he may just do it.

Arum has the unexpected trump card, also, of a likely fifth fight between Márquez and Pacquiao. A round-robin between the three best fighters in the world around 10st 7lb does not have the lustre of the grand clashes between Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and Roberto Durán but it is by some way the best on offer in boxing at the moment.

Few people in the fight game see an opening so acutely as Arum, who is already dreaming of making diamonds out of the dust from Saturday night's fight. There are indications that Mayweather will at least consider the prospect of co-operating with a promoter he has frustrated for years, as he foiled repeated attempts to put on a mega-fight with Pacquiao.

Mayweather – who fights only in May and September, only in Las Vegas and only on pay-per-view – has those months lined up for what would be yet another "comeback" in his carefully managed career, after his brief stint in prison this year for domestic violence. To fight anyone else but Márquez and Pacquiao, and in that order, would only confirm the perversity of his nature.

Those are the major events that will make all of them the most money and, although that normally is the clincher in any negotiations in boxing, Mayweather has proved the most difficult negotiator, especially with Arum across the table. Theirs is an ego-spoiled history.

Now, however, both men are looking at two different and significant finishing lines. Arum turned 81 on Saturday and, even with his great rival Don King marginalised, may soon tire of his role as boxing's grand seigneur; he looked tired when we sat together at a pre-fight dinner to mark his birthday. And Mayweather, who is 36 in February, will not extend his fighting days much further, however well he has husbanded his resources over a 46-fight career that began in 1996.

Then, in the lightning crack of glove on chin, they both were gifted a new excuse to sit down and talk: it arrived one second from the end of round six in the non-title bout in the Grand Arena at the MGM Grand on Saturday between Márquez and Pacquiao – a single punch, which rendered the Filipino senseless for a worryingly long time and simultaneously changed the boxing landscape. Márquez, whom Mayweather beat easily in 2009, was now hugely more marketable, and Pacquaio's negotiating clout had been dented to the point of malleability.

Before the fight, Mayweather maintained his mannered aloofness from proceedings in his hometown, declining to be part of the hoopla that attracted celebrities as diverse as Mitt Romney and 50 Cent.

The rapper and new boxing promoter, a close business associate until a recent difference of opinion over money, was lowered into the ring on wires that looked precariously unsafe to serenade the faithful before the main undercard fight. Clearly a welcome guest now in Arum's Top Rank promotional organisation, spoke warmly later about Mayweather joining the circus. He will prove crucial to Arum's ambitions in discussions with the fighter over the next few weeks.

A more influential Mayweather adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, hinted to ESPN that his fighter may go for a rematch with Márquez at the MGM Grand on 5 May – or "Cinco de Mayweather", as he called it – to capitalise on the Mexican celebrations of that major date in their culture, and meet Pacquaio in the same ring on 14 September. "Floyd Mayweather has a plethora of options," he said. "Who doesn't want to fight Floyd 'Money' Mayweather and make the most money they ever made in their career? You hit the lottery once you've become a Floyd Mayweather opponent."

As for the man himself, he insists on keeping his distance, and paid Pacquiao a neat back-handed compliment. "In the sport of boxing, you have to really dedicate yourself to your craft. I think he's got so many different things on the outside that he worries about. But it was a good thing that he was able to come into the sport, piggyback off my name and get a bunch of endorsement deals and make a good living."

There are other people to convince, of course.

Freddie Roach, the Hall of Fame trainer who is having a wretched year in big contests, never wanted Pacquiao to fight Márquez a fourth time and, seeing his man face down on the canvas only a few feet in front of him on Saturday, he felt vindicated in his assessment. Yet it was the very manner of the victory that has energised not only the fighters' eight-year rivalry but the whole sport. Whatever his reservations about Márquez tactically, Roach is also a businessman.

Roach was not alone in worrying that Márquez's counter-punching style did not suit his fighter and that Pacquiao would struggle to get past the Mexican's sophisticated defence. As it happened, Pacquiao's decision to urge his opponent to "go to war" was a battle-cry too insistent for Márquez's trainer, Ignacio "Nacho" Beristáin, who instructed his fighter to engage. What unfolded was the fight of the year.

"A fifth fight? Why not?" Arum said in the aftermath, even as Pacquaio was being rushed to hospital to check that the knockout had not loosened too many brain cells and his distraught wife, Jinkee, pleaded with him to think hard about continuing as a fighter when he had safer work to do at home as a Congressman.

But Pacquaio's fighting instincts are still strong and pride will almost certainly draw him towards another clash with Márquez. Roach, too, would go with that choice, given another blow to his own reputation after being in the corner for Pacquiao's earlier 2012 defeat by Timothy Bradley, the one-sided loss by Julio César Chávez Jr to the Argentinian Sergio Martínez and Amir Khan's knockout loss to Danny Garcia.

Khan left Roach after that second consecutive loss and this Saturday will try to rebuild his career in a non-title fight against the unbeaten Carlos Molina in Los Angeles. If Khan were to win, he too may dream again of joining boxing's welterweight kings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/dec/10/marquez-mayweather-pacquiao-bob-arum

[Alex]

So now Arum is seeing the Money fight of Mayweather and Pac going, he is trying to push it. Adding Marquez to the mix too. Id love to see it though.

[red g]

So now Arum is seeing the Money fight of Mayweather and Pac going, he is trying to push it. Adding Marquez to the mix too. Id love to see it though.

Just a shame that it will be a fight to see who has aged better ! Will still be an amazing fight.....just not as good as it could have been!!

[Daniel 7]

Mayweather will destroy Pacquiao.

Manny looked decent up until the point he was knocked out, almost back to form, but then he got sloppy. Mayweather would just do exactly what Marquez did.

[Tee]

Mayweather will destroy Pacquiao.

Manny looked decent up until the point he was knocked out, almost back to form, but then he got sloppy. Mayweather would just do exactly what Marquez did.

At no point have I ever thought Pacman would win that fight. Mayweather is operating on another level to all those in that division.

[kingfunk]

Pacman vs Mayweather has lost it's appeal. Shame.

[RichC]

At no point have I ever thought Pacman would win that fight. Mayweather is operating on another level to all those in that division.

[James P]

At no point have I ever thought Pacman would win that fight. Mayweather is operating on another level to all those in that division.

I disagree. I think that Mayweather stayed away from Pacquiao because he knew that Pac was capable of beating him. He's never been the technician that Mayweather is, but his workrate, toughness and attitude made up for that. I honestly believe that if they'd met a few years back, Pac would have won.

[Tee]

I disagree. I think that Mayweather stayed away from Pacquiao because he knew that Pac was capable of beating him. He's never been the technician that Mayweather is, but his workrate, toughness and attitude made up for that. I honestly believe that if they'd met a few years back, Pac would have won.

Obviously I disagree. Maybe Flloyd did have doubts in the back of his mind because clearly Pacquiao was the biggest threat to him and his 'legacy'. Still convinced he would have raised his game and dealt with Pacquiao, but we will never know (who would have won at their peak) which is a shame.