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[marcus50bucks]

Why would the reach he has be something to take note of? It is nothing special for his height, and how he uses it to fight from range is nothing outstanding for a pro boxer.

Mayweather is pretty good at fighting at range when the mood tales him and he has a longer reach than Khan so don't see how Khan's shorter reach is any sort of plus for Khan over what Mayweather has and over what Mayweather can do with his own.

I do see the arguement you are making for Khan, but none of the qualities you mention that he brings to the table are outstanding and all are qualities that Mayweather has faced many times before. I think if we were talking about Khan going up against any other fighter then I would be inclined to agree with you, but Mayweather at 38 is still a few tiers above Khan in every department.

Yes Mayweather is not the fighter he was back in 2001 and 2007, but he is also a far more experienced and more savvy fighter than he was back then, and whilst he has probably slowed a little, his reading of other fighters has gotten a hell of a lot better.


If Mayweather and Khan meet before this year ends, and if it goes the distance, then I would be surprised if Khan won more than four rounds out of twelve. Personally though I think Mayweather would stop Khan around the 9th or 10th round after Khan looked like he was holding his own for the first three or so rounds.


The big thing for me if they were to meet, besides the difference in quality that exists between them, is the fact that Mayweather has met and beaten many fighters who have brought the same or a higher level of the qualities that Khan has to the table, whereas Khan has never beaten a single higher level fighter in his entire career let alone faced off against an elite level fighter like Mayweather. That difference in experience would be a big advantage if they were of equal ability, but when one is so much more talented than the other then such an advantage in experience would only serve to increase the chances of a Mayweather masterclass imo.

The very best I could see Khan doing is finishing with a similar score on the cards to what Manny did.

I am using his reach because he is good at controlling the distance. Go back and watch the Devon fight again and see how confused he made Deven look. Let me just stress that I am not saying Khan beats Mayweather however he would give him some serious problems until Floyd figures him out. Anyone who thinks it would be easy for Floyd from the get go are not respecting Khan's skills enough imo. He's got the style to make it an uncomfortable evening for Mayweather.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Well boxing experts who have forgotten more about boxing than me and you are saying it so you better believe it

To be fair we had boxing experts talk about how Hatton was going to give Mayweather problems. We had ex and current pros talk about how Manny was going to give Mayweather problems.

I am sure I could do a search and find some respected names saying how the likes of Mosley, De La Hoya, Corrales, Marquez, Cotto, and Alvarez. And I know that before Mayweather fought Robert Guerrero there were even some that were saying that Guerrero's pressure fighting would force Mayweather onto the front foot.


From reading posts from guys like you and others that use this thread on a regular basis, I have read more common sense with regards to fighters than what I have heard from many "experts" on tv or in magazines.


At the end of the day most "experts" are only offering an opinion. Sometimes that opinion is based on their experience in the game. Sometimes it is based on watching fights and often it is coloured by their personal opinion of fighters they know irl.

[marcus50bucks]

To be fair we had boxing experts talk about how Hatton was going to give Mayweather problems. We had ex and current pros talk about how Manny was going to give Mayweather problems.

I am sure I could do a search and find some respected names saying how the likes of Mosley, De La Hoya, Corrales, Marquez, Cotto, and Alvarez. And I know that before Mayweather fought Robert Guerrero there were even some that were saying that Guerrero's pressure fighting would force Mayweather onto the front foot.


From reading posts from guys like you and others that use this thread on a regular basis, I have read more common sense with regards to fighters than what I have heard from many "experts" on tv or in magazines.


At the end of the day most "experts" are only offering an opinion. Sometimes that opinion is based on their experience in the game. Sometimes it is based on watching fights and often it is coloured by their personal opinion of fighters they know irl.

I agree with what you have said mate (and by the way thanks for the compliment ) but there are certain boxers ex pro who's opinion I respect and many of them think Khan's style will pose problems for Floyd especially at this stage of his career.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I am using his reach because he is good at controlling the distance. Go back and watch the Devon fight again and see how confused he made Deven look. Let me just stress that I am not saying Khan beats Mayweather however he would give him some serious problems until Floyd figures him out. Anyone who thinks it would be easy for Floyd from the get go are not respecting Khan's skills enough imo. He's got the style to make it an uncomfortable evening for Mayweather.

I know you are not saying Khan wins, but there is a world of difference between a jab confusing Devon Alexander and it making life difficult for a guy who has been in with excellent long range and close range specialists.

I don't think it has anything to do with disrespecting Khan's skills, but rather an expression of how highly I rate the skills of Mayweather.

I think that even now there is a huge gulf between Khan and Mayweather in pretty much every department and what Khan has done well against mid level to upper mid level guys simply will not translate into him doing the same for spells against the elite guy.

Khan has shown nothing at all to me to suggest that he can go in against the very best and cause some problems with the only caveat to that being the chance that every fighter has of throwing that one fight ending punch.

If Khan had beaten a few of the better fighters in the division, and looked good in doing so, then I might be more inclined to believe that his qualities may well be able to bridge the gap between tiers but whilst Khan's distance game is more than good enough against the Devon Alexanders of the division it does not look to be a top tier distance game that he has, and against an elite fighter you need some, but not all, of your own qualities to be at top tier level.

Khan just has not proven that any of his qualities are top tier, and for that reason I think he loses at least 8 out of 12 rounds against Mayweather and that is assuming Mayweather does not stop him.


Put Khan in against Manny before the year ends and if he gets the win, then I would start to think that he might, just might, have that hope of making a fight out of it with (but still losing to) Mayweather.

[Bender]

If we did get Khan v Mayweather at least it wouldn't go the distance like Mayweather's last 8 or so fights.

[marcus50bucks]

I know you are not saying Khan wins, but there is a world of difference between a jab confusing Devon Alexander and it making life difficult for a guy who has been in with excellent long range and close range specialists.

I don't think it has anything to do with disrespecting Khan's skills, but rather an expression of how highly I rate the skills of Mayweather.

I think that even now there is a huge gulf between Khan and Mayweather in pretty much every department and what Khan has done well against mid level to upper mid level guys simply will not translate into him doing the same for spells against the elite guy.

Khan has shown nothing at all to me to suggest that he can go in against the very best and cause some problems with the only caveat to that being the chance that every fighter has of throwing that one fight ending punch.

If Khan had beaten a few of the better fighters in the division, and looked good in doing so, then I might be more inclined to believe that his qualities may well be able to bridge the gap between tiers but whilst Khan's distance game is more than good enough against the Devon Alexanders of the division it does not look to be a top tier distance game that he has, and against an elite fighter you need some, but not all, of your own qualities to be at top tier level.

Khan just has not proven that any of his qualities are top tier, and for that reason I think he loses at least 8 out of 12 rounds against Mayweather and that is assuming Mayweather does not stop him.


Put Khan in against Manny before the year ends and if he gets the win, then I would start to think that he might, just might, have that hope of making a fight out of it with (but still losing to) Mayweather.

I respect Floyd's skill too Jaco he is my favourite boxer and has been for years however, I just have the opinion he won't fight it as easy to time Khan from the beginning. I believe he will adjust to win a comfortable UD but Khan will have his moments and will put up a better show than Manny. The difference between Manny and Khan is the latter can fight on the outside. Manny was never going to outbox Floyd. The fact that Mayweather took the centre of the ring and controlled the range from the opening bell threw manny off. He started to try and second guess Floyd and you've already lost when you do that. Even at times when Floyd was on the ring Manny hesitated and didn't always throw flurries because he was worried at being countered. With Khan it would be like a game of chess because no matter what people say negative about him he is very good at closing the distance.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I respect Floyd's skill too Jaco he is my favourite boxer and has been for years however, I just have the opinion he won't fight it as easy to time Khan from the beginning. I believe he will adjust to win a comfortable UD but Khan will have his moments and will put up a better show than Manny. The difference between Manny and Khan is the latter can fight on the outside. Manny was never going to outbox Floyd. The fact that Mayweather took the centre of the ring and controlled the range from the opening bell threw manny off. He started to try and second guess Floyd and you've already lost when you do that. Even at times when Floyd was on the ring Manny hesitated and didn't always throw flurries because he was worried at being countered. With Khan it would be like a game of chess because no matter what people say negative about him he is very good at closing the distance.

Put your best guess in rounds won for the sake of killing some more time with this thread.

Mine is that Khan, at best, would not win more than four out of twelve rounds against Mayweather. Manny won that many rounds against Mayweather in my eyes, so if you think Khan would do better than has Khan winning five or more rounds against Mayweather which suddenly has it becoming a close thing.


One thing I do think, and this is regardless of how well I think Khan would or would not do against Mayweather. is that Khan has done nothing to deserve a shot at Mayweather. For me it just stinks of Khan chasing a massive payday over having to ever show that he can actually beat a fighter that is of his own level and I fancy that he will chase it just as hard even if Mayweather drops all his belts.


I still think that Khan's fight later this month should have been a final eliminator to face the winner of Mayweather/Pac and Khan should have faced someone like Thurman or Garcia. Basically put him in with a belt holder with an O (although technically if he met Garcia there would be no belt on the line as Garcia would have to come up a weight) in order to earn a crack at the cash cow.

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I hope lots of talking heads give Khan a good chance if/when he ever meets Mayweather.
I'll get better odds on a Mayweather win which is like buying money.
Think Mayweather will either landslide outpoint him in second gear or if Khan has any success then Mayweather may actually move into third and stop him.
I like Khan but he's done absolutely nothing to earn a shot or the huge pay day.

[Nicey]

What exactly were you expecting on Saturday? Mayweather is able to box at the very highest level at aged 38 because he doesn't get in wars. The guys with the face first style of defence don't have the longevity.

It's churlish to say that Saturday was boring. It smacks more of ignorance on your part. I'd quite happily suggest that you and numerous others who're now pissing and moaning about the fight on Saturday didn't know exactly what they were buying.

Sure you bought a boxing PPV but it was a PPV featuring one of the best pure boxers in the world and a defensive genius against a boxer who hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 years and who has struggled in recent years.

It may not have lived up to the insane level of hype that surrounded it but very, very few fevents given such a billing ever do.

If you're looking for a slugfest then watch the Saul Alvarez vs James Kirkland fight on Saturday. It's got the potential to be an all out war.

My Buddy who has trained a number of World Champions UFC fighters as their lead boxing coach also called it boring, as did the vast majority of his counterparts in the boxing community. I am not looking for a slug feast just a fight. Sure I can appreciate Mayweathers skills, they are as I said magical, but Manny on the other hand looked a real shadow of his former self ... Floyd did what Floyd does ... waited and waited till he had the fight totally on his terms and the fighter or more accurately the version of the fighter he wanted.
I expected Floyd to be wonderfully evasive, counter with powerful pinpoint shots, thats what happened, I hoped Manny could put some pressure on him, start off really fast in the first 3 to 4 rounds, hit him with combinations, it never transpired.. and he was very disappointing ... or maybe thats harsh, the fight itself did not feel like the 2 best guys in the world going at it ... Floyd was basically toying with him for 12 rounds ... Boxing when its free of all the bull**** is totally amazing .. it just feels its been on life support for years ... Justin Biber and Jimmy Kimmel were in the corners .. says it all

[marcus50bucks]

Put your best guess in rounds won for the sake of killing some more time with this thread.

Mine is that Khan, at best, would not win more than four out of twelve rounds against Mayweather. Manny won that many rounds against Mayweather in my eyes, so if you think Khan would do better than has Khan winning five or more rounds against Mayweather which suddenly has it becoming a close thing.


One thing I do think, and this is regardless of how well I think Khan would or would not do against Mayweather. is that Khan has done nothing to deserve a shot at Mayweather. For me it just stinks of Khan chasing a massive payday over having to ever show that he can actually beat a fighter that is of his own level and I fancy that he will chase it just as hard even if Mayweather drops all his belts.


I still think that Khan's fight later this month should have been a final eliminator to face the winner of Mayweather/Pac and Khan should have faced someone like Thurman or Garcia. Basically put him in with a belt holder with an O (although technically if he met Garcia there would be no belt on the line as Garcia would have to come up a weight) in order to earn a crack at the cash cow.

I think Khan would win at least four. I gave Manny just about four rounds but two of them were close. I need to watch the fight again because even four might have been generous.

[spud_gun]

My Buddy who has trained a number of World Champions UFC fighters as their lead boxing coach also called it boring, as did the vast majority of his counterparts in the boxing community. I am not looking for a slug feast just a fight. Sure I can appreciate Mayweathers skills, they are as I said magical, but Manny on the other hand looked a real shadow of his former self ... Floyd did what Floyd does ... waited and waited till he had the fight totally on his terms and the fighter or more accurately the version of the fighter he wanted.
I expected Floyd to be wonderfully evasive, counter with powerful pinpoint shots, thats what happened, I hoped Manny could put some pressure on him, start off really fast in the first 3 to 4 rounds, hit him with combinations, it never transpired.. and he was very disappointing ... or maybe thats harsh, the fight itself did not feel like the 2 best guys in the world going at it ... Floyd was basically toying with him for 12 rounds ... Boxing when its free of all the bull**** is totally amazing .. it just feels its been on life support for years ... Justin Biber and Jimmy Kimmel were in the corners .. says it all

A sport that's just had a half billion dollar fight feels like it's been on life support for years? uh-huh.....sure.

[Gibbo]

Out of curiosity does anyone here think the ref did a good job?

I didn't think the fight was boring at all really, I was a little let down by the Pacquiao performance, but Floyd was next level, absolutely brilliant.

Think the real fight I wanna see is Floyd vs GGG, will never ever happen though, I think GGG beats Floyd if he can make weight.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Out of curiosity does anyone here think the ref did a good job?

I didn't think the fight was boring at all really, I was a little let down by the Pacquiao performance, but Floyd was next level, absolutely brilliant.

Think the real fight I wanna see is Floyd vs GGG, will never ever happen though, I think GGG beats Floyd if he can make weight.

Never going to happen. Too big a jump for Mayweather imo.

Would be more interested to see if GGG could be tempted into Super middleweight waters to take on Ward. Now that could be a cracking meeting of styles if it were to happen.

Would favour Ward (assuming he gets back to being the fighter he was before his "break") in that one, but would be a real treat to watch regardless of who won.

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[Alex]

Just seen Mayweather had 2 female reporters banned from covering the fight at the event because of their history with him and domestic abuse reporting.

Mayweather has shown himself to be more of a scumbag the longer he goes on in the sport. His legacy is **** now. Dont think he will be viewed as a all time great because of his actions.