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With regards to Khan ducking Brook.

Why is Hearn so keen for this fight? Its not for some altruistic reason. He's knows full well Khan is his and Brooks biggest pay day.

Khan on the other hand has options.

The notion that Khan is ducking Brook at the moment is fanciful.

Hearn has previous for this. Look at Quigg / Frampton. Hearn knows that Frampton is the biggest payday out there for both himself and Quigg.

He let slip? that he has PPV dates to fill and big domestic fights like Quigg / Frampyon and Khan / Brook are the type of fights he envisioned filling these dates.

There's only so many 'stacked' cards he can stick on PPV

[Doc_Piptorious]

With regards to Khan ducking Brook.

Why is Hearn so keen for this fight? Its not for some altruistic reason. He's knows full well Khan is his and Brooks biggest pay day.

Khan on the other hand has options.

The notion that Khan is ducking Brook at the moment is fanciful.

Hearn has previous for this. Look at Quigg / Frampton. Hearn knows that Frampton is the biggest payday out there for both himself and Quigg.

He let slip? that he has PPV dates to fill and big domestic fights like Quigg / Frampyon and Khan / Brook are the type of fights he envisioned filling these dates.

There's only so many 'stacked' cards he can stick on PPV

Brook wants to be in the ring with Khan for the exact same reason as Khan wants to be in the ring with Mayweather.


Basically to get to the fight that pays the most without having to work through the top contenders to get there.

A lot of what Hearn said in that video is spot on, but he need not try to kid anyone that he isn't after the same easy path to a big payday.

Khan equals a massive payday for Hearn and Brook, and even though Hearn questions Khan's motives I think it is quite clear that a genuine ring legacy means just as little to Brook and Hearn when they see the pound signs flashing.


For me Brook needs to go and do what I think Khan needs to do, and that is work his way through the division if he wants to be seen as a quality fighter whose reputation is not built on words.

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Great win by Selby, totally missed that!

The 'Welsh Mayweather' better than the 'Welsh Xavi' it seems. (can see why they labelled him that though with his style of boxing. Not so much with Joe Allen, no idea which idiot gave him that tag in the first place!)

[ame="https://youtu.be/H86hmDFuqiA"]Evgeny Gradovich vs Lee Selby / Евгений Градович - Ли Селби full fight 30.05.2015 - YouTube[/ame]

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Floyd Mayweather fight could be confirmed within 'next two weeks', says Amir Khan

• Amir Khan believes a fight with Floyd Mayweather is just around the corner
• Khan, 28, is confident an agreement could be made within two weeks
• Bolton-born fighter says the fight could take place in the US in September

By Pa Reporter
Published: 16:03, 2 June 2015 | Updated: 00:27, 3 June 2015

Amir Khan is convinced he could be less than two weeks away from landing his long-awaited super-fight with pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather.

Khan says there has been 'movement' in negotiations since his routine win over Chris Algieri in New York on Friday night, and the fight could take place in the United States in September.

But Khan has dismissed any prospect of an imminent all-British showdown with domestic welterweight rival Kell Brook, saying he has 'no interest' in the fight at the present time.

Khan told Press Association Sport: 'I don't think I have ever been closer to getting the fight with Floyd Mayweather than I am at this moment.

'The indications are that I have strengthened my case with my win over Algieri and I believe there is every chance the fight could be confirmed within the next two weeks.'

Khan's long pursuit of Mayweather has led to long spells of inactivity in his career but insists at the age of 28 he cannot afford to wait around if he once more proves to be frustrated.

'The welterweight division is one of the hottest in world boxing at the moment and there are any number of other possibilities, including Miguel Cotto and Keith Thurman,' said Khan.

'I have waited too long and, while I believe it is finally going to happen, I am still determined to pursue other big fights in the United States once I have had some time off with my family.'

But Khan has resolutely refused to entertain any prospect of facing Brook, who successfully defended his IBF title at the weekend with an easy win over Frankie Gavin.

Brook's camp have accused Khan of running scared of a potential stadium-filling showdown and the Sheffield fighter accused Khan of being 'full of rubbish' in an interview on Sky Sports News on Tuesday.

Khan said he had not watched footage of Brook and refused to rise to his rival's taunts, other than dismissing any chance of the fight being made in the short-term future at least.

'I have no interest in fighting Kell Brook at the moment because there are so many other, bigger fights out there for me,' said Khan.

'Brook has done nothing to justify a fight with me and he is just in it for the payday. He brings absolutely nothing to the table and it is not a fight I am looking at.'

Meanwhile, Brook insists Khan has 'done nothing' to merit a fight with Mayweather and should instead focus on a contest which would be one of the biggest in British boxing history.

Brook told Sky Sports News: 'He's got no right to fight Mayweather - if anyone is going to get the Mayweather fight it should be me. I'm world champion and unbeaten.

'He (Khan) should fight me because every single fight fan in Britain wants to see the fight. I'm giving him the opportunity to challenge for my world title.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...Amir-Khan.html

[RichC]

Khan talking about Brook only looking for the payday is a bit rich, don't blame him doing the same with Mayweather though

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I've been watching early Tyson fights (Ruddock, Bonecrusher etc). What power and speed!

Also watched the Hearn vs Hagler slug fest. Also was Foreman's speed an optical illusion? His arms seem to move at the speed of treacle yet he lands and knocks opponents to the floor.

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I've been watching early Tyson fights (Ruddock, Bonecrusher etc). What power and speed!

Also watched the Hearn vs Hagler slug fest. Also was Foreman's speed an optical illusion? His arms seem to move at the speed of treacle yet he lands and knocks opponents to the floor.

Foreman (younger version of course because no point talking about older Foreman and hand speed) was not as slow with his hands as some of the footage might suggest.

He was pretty average in terms of handspeed but not horribly slow. But what he was very good at was anticipating where a part of his opponent was going to be and the man was frighteningly strong. So even a punch that looked glancing on camera was felt by the other guy.

He was also a very tough man and could take a shot with the best of them. Guys like Frazier, Norton, Lyle, and Chuvalo all landed clean shots on Foreman's chin and none of them could put him away.

Looking back over old footage of Foreman will not show many pretty fights. The guy was a wrecking ball and standing in front of him and trading usually meant that you were going to sleep at some point.


The late 1980s/all of the 90s comeback version of Foreman was just a much slower version of 1970's Foreman but still brought that very high level of durability and raw power so the threat of being put to sleep was a constant no matter how far behind he went on points. He knew that he only had to land one clean shot and he knew that even in when he was in his mid to late 40's that he could soak up punishment from fights a decade or two younger than so the waiting game became his thing.


The entire 1970s and most of the 1980s really was an era full of seriously heavy hitters in the heavyweight division. Even many of the journeymen from back then came with genuine one punch stopping power and some of the journeymen and nearly men would most likely have become the kings of the division had they been born a decade or two later. Am thinking about guys like George Chuvalo and Ron Lyle who just had the misfortune to be competing in a time when the division had in it many of the best heavyweights of all time.

And it was not just hitters like Chuvalo and Lyle that were unlucky to be around at the same time as the likes of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Patterson, and Liston (the latter two for those whose timelines crossed into the 1960s).

Guys like Jerry Quarry were really talented and whilst having only decent punching power had very quick hands and reflexes, coupled with the sort of iron will that often defines a warrior.

It is an era I would have loved to have been an adult for instead of having to having to watch bouts years later on video tape, dvd etc., but the footage available really shows how talent rich the division was back then.

[Fosterbloke]

Thanks Jaco, I now have some more names to look out for!

[Doc_Piptorious]

Thanks Jaco, I now have some more names to look out for!

The only bad thing with watching old bouts (up to the end of the 1980s) is that the camera work often makes viewing hard going if you are used to watching boxing from say the 1990s onward.


But there are literally hundreds if not thousands of great fights to seek out from the mid 1960s to the end of the 1980s.

Start with the obvious big names from the weight divisions you like, and by watching the big names you will start to come across the often unsung fighters who gave many of the big names their toughest tests. Then you can seek out those unsung fighters to check out their own bouts.

[Fosterbloke]

The only bad thing with watching old bouts (up to the end of the 1980s) is that the camera work often makes viewing hard going if you are used to watching boxing from say the 1990s onward.


But there are literally hundreds if not thousands of great fights to seek out from the mid 1960s to the end of the 1980s.

Start with the obvious big names from the weight divisions you like, and by watching the big names you will start to come across the often unsung fighters who gave many of the big names their toughest tests. Then you can seek out those unsung fighters to check out their own bouts.

I don't know much about the divisions (I watched the big heavyweight fights on tele in the UK) so I'm a bit limited to household names (and Barry McGuigan!). I've also met Chris Eubank

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Lance Pugmire @latimespugmire · 11h11 hours ago
Before that, I'm told @FloydMayweather may move toward his next opponent, with @AmirKingKhan and @SpecialKBrook in front, w/in 2 weeks.


Lance works for the Los Angeles Times and is very reliable

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I'd laugh my tits off if it were Brook.

Be surprised though given he has little profile in America especially when compared to Khan

[Doc_Piptorious]

I'd laugh my tits off if it were Brook.

Be surprised though given he has little profile in America especially when compared to Khan

Realistically there is little chance of Brook getting the nod. Would imagine that his name might be added to the mix to ensure that Khan takes whatever figure is offered to him.


The only way I could see Brook getting a shot is if Mayweather decides he wants to be able to retire holding all the belts. That way Mayweather would take Brook and Thuram (as the WBA technically have three world champions at Welterweight ) as his final two fights.


Just imagine though if Brook did get the fight over Khan and Brook went on to cause a massive upset by landing a lucky shot on Mayweather's chin.

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Dan Rafael @danrafaelespn 3h3 hours ago
Aug. 1 PBC on ESPN likely to be @DannySwift vs @PaulMalignaggi & @DanielJacobsTKO in co-feature. My blog: http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...c-on-espn-card … #boxing

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Triple threat main event?