Boxing

[CJ]

I think the difference is that other sports as it's not the aim to hurt your opponent that mitigating those dangers is not going g to intrinsically change the sport.

I like blocking and continue to watch it but I find the argu!ents for it (apart from the good it does for some people ) strange. They are not reasons not to ban boxing as such but rather well why not ban other things then.

[Vermilion]

I think the difference is that other sports as it's not the aim to hurt your opponent that mitigating those dangers is not going g to intrinsically change the sport.

I like blocking and continue to watch it but I find the argu!ents for it (apart from the good it does for some people ) strange. They are not reasons not to ban boxing as such but rather well why not ban other things then.

I just think they are reasons why boxing shouldn't be singled out tbh, people can talk about the aim being to hurt an opponent, but the fact is people die more often in other sports.

A woman sadly died in the sailing, as did another sailor in the same evnt last year, it's dangerous, but she choose to do it knowing that danger existed, as do all fighters who decide to box.

I'm not sure it's dangerous enough to ban is what i'm saying, when compared to other things human beings are allowed to do.

[CJ]

It's not just the dieing it's the mental impairment in later years.

If this was a post about banning guns in America not sure we would say you shouldn't single out guns when knives do damage.

Again I'm sure they could do things to make sailing safer but it wouldn't significantly change it as the point of sailing isn't falling over the side. The point of boxing is to hurt your opponent.

I'm not sure it should be banned but not convinced most arguments given in here really hold. Apart from forcing underground and the work it does in giving people focus discipline etc.

Oh and on the underground thing is the thing about bare knuckle punches being safer than gloved punches. On a punch for punch basis that is.

[ChesterDave]

Oh and on the underground thing is the thing about bare knuckle punches being safer than gloved punches. On a punch for punch basis that is.

This point was made on QI. Generally people went for body shots not head shots as there is only so much your hand could take before breaking. Once the protection of gloves eliminated that problem headshots become so much more common

[Vermilion]

It's not just the dieing it's the mental impairment in later years.

If this was a post about banning guns in America not sure we would say you shouldn't single out guns when knives do damage.

Again I'm sure they could do things to make sailing safer but it wouldn't significantly change it as the point of sailing isn't falling over the side. The point of boxing is to hurt your opponent.

I'm not sure it should be banned but not convinced most arguments given in here really hold. Apart from forcing underground and the work it does in giving people focus discipline etc.

Oh and on the underground thing is the thing about bare knuckle punches being safer than gloved punches. On a punch for punch basis that is.

Think my link to sailing is more relevant than one to Gun deaths in the usa tbh.

It's so far and away from the subject of sport that it's not a serious point. imo. that's thousands of people being killed through no choice of their own, i see the point you're making, but come on.

[CJ]

I wasn't comparing gun deaths to sailing. I was comparing the fact the arguments for not banning given by people seemed similar.

[Doc_Piptorious]

It's not just the dieing it's the mental impairment in later years.

If this was a post about banning guns in America not sure we would say you shouldn't single out guns when knives do damage.

Again I'm sure they could do things to make sailing safer but it wouldn't significantly change it as the point of sailing isn't falling over the side. The point of boxing is to hurt your opponent.

I'm not sure it should be banned but not convinced most arguments given in here really hold. Apart from forcing underground and the work it does in giving people focus discipline etc.

Oh and on the underground thing is the thing about bare knuckle punches being safer than gloved punches. On a punch for punch basis that is.

The point of boxing is not to hurt your opponent. It is to outscore your opponent through the use of punches to set areas of the body.

Granted that means an opponent may get hurt, but the point of boxing is most certainly not to hurt the opponent. No more than the point of rugby is to bodily damage the other team to the point they cannot stop scores being put against them.


As for bare knuckle fighting being safer than gloved boxing, well the data on that is far from conclusive. A lot of that particular arguement is based on boxing records from over 100 years ago and a lot of what got stated (as in things like there was never a ring fatality before gloves were introduced) was simply untrue.

Another factor when it comes to modern day bare knuckle facts is that a lot of what happens simply goes unreported due to the underground (see illegal) nature of a lot of that scene.

Have also heard it said a lot that bare knuckle is safer as a fighter will hurt a hand on the other fighter's skull and then be unable to inflict further damage using that hand. The flip side of that is that the fighter with the injured hand will be hindered in defending himself/herself and be more likely to take extra punishment as a result.


My take is that boxing is a fantastic sport and at some level there is a raw courage and nobility about being willing to compete one on one with a peer.

It is a sport that at it purest will promote discipline, very high levels of fitness, confidence, self respect, and often social awareness.

It is a sport that is practised, by the majority who compete, not for the fame or wealth but instead for the enjoyment they garner from training and competing.

It is also a sport that can help save young people from the darker side of poverty through instilling in them a sense of worth that they may never have found due to the social, educational, and financial limitations they were born into. It is also a very inclusive sport in that those lucky enough to be born into a more comfortable background will start on the same level and be just as welcomed as those from a less comfortable background.


I really do get the arguments that often get made about the in ring deaths and the injuries that often take years and years to show their full and terrible effects, but the only way to avoid that is to remove the sport altogether and once that is done then logic would dictate that any sport that carries a degree of risk would need to follow the same path.

[Chazza]

Missed last nights fight but I see Callum Smith got the job done early.

Was matey a bum or did Smith look the business?

[RichC]

Don't know anything about him tbh

Fight is on YouTube [ame="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3M_-pfdUKNw"]Callum Smith vs Hadillah Mohoumadi. 02.04.2016 - YouTube[/ame]

[RichC]

Don't know anything about him tbh

Fight is on YouTube [ame="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3M_-pfdUKNw"]Callum Smith vs Hadillah Mohoumadi. 02.04.2016 - YouTube[/ame]

[Yozza]

Nick Blackwell wakes from coma after Chris Eubank Jr fight

Nick Blackwell has woken from his induced coma, following his fight with Chris Eubank Jr last week.

The 25-year-old was taken to hospital after the British middleweight title contest was stopped in round 10.

Blackwell woke from the induced coma on Saturday and by Sunday was talking to family and friends at his bedside, promoters Hennessey Sports have said.

They added that Blackwell had suffered a bleed on the skull and not the brain as initially reported.

"It was the outcome everyone had been hoping and praying for; Nick had won his toughest fight yet," Hennessey Sports added.

"Nick Blackwell won the hearts of over three million television viewers on 26 March with an astonishing display of all-action bravery and determination.

"In the past week, however, he has humbled millions more. He's a fighter. He's a warrior. He's a true champion and gentleman.

"On behalf of Nick, his family, and very close friends, we'd like to thank everyone for their continued support and well-wishes. It has been overwhelming at times and has certainly not gone unnoticed."




Hope he makes a full recovery....

[RichC]

Good news he's out of his coma, let's hope he can make a full recovery.

[marcus50bucks]

peter fury. @peterfury 31m31 minutes ago
9th July @Tyson_Fury vs Klitschko" is coming to Manchester uk. Official announcement coming 12 noon.

Fury's going to deal with the Klit again

[marcus50bucks]

peter fury. @peterfury 31m31 minutes ago
9th July @Tyson_Fury vs Klitschko" is coming to Manchester uk. Official announcement coming 12 noon.

Fury's going to deal with the Klit again

[spud_gun]

It's on Boxnation as well. Good stuff.

Tyson Fury Lineal Heavyweight Champion of the World. Still makes me chuckle.