Boxing

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I don't want Haye to even get a shot. It should be Joseph Parker IMO and I was quite looking forward to that one.

[Vermilion]

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I know I am in the minority but I'm a fan of Fury. Yes, he has said some very controversial things but I wouldn't wish depression on anyone. I hope he overcomes this and gets all the support he needs.

I'm quite confused over the whole Fury issue, if he has Bi Polar, then every daft or angry outburst he has is because of that condition right ?

So how can he be blamed for any of it by anyone?

Believe me i've called him a prick many a time, but it just dawned on me, that maybe it's just not his fault, at all.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I'm quite confused over the whole Fury issue, if he has Bi Polar, then every daft or angry outburst he has is because of that condition right ?

So how can he be blamed for any of it by anyone?

Believe me i've called him a prick many a time, but it just dawned on me, that maybe it's just not his fault, at all.

No, every single outburst or daft/ignorant comment could not be attributed to the condition.

Some of his highs and lows would be attributed to it, some irritable or reactive outbursts would be linked to it, a lot of his saying what he should have kept private would be down to it, but his actual world views and opinions could not all be blamed on the condition.

The condition, if he is afflicted with it, would make him more prone to outbursts and saying what he thinks in a rash manner, but it would not be the be all and end all reason as to WHY he holds certain views.


Have to be honest though and say that I hope he turns out to be just a complete and utter dickhead who has some horrible opinions because the alternative is that the guy has potentially some serious mental issues and I would not wish that on anyone nor would I wish the stigma that people with such issues face on him.

[calvoboy]

I'm quite confused over the whole Fury issue, if he has Bi Polar, then every daft or angry outburst he has is because of that condition right ?

So how can he be blamed for any of it by anyone?

Believe me i've called him a prick many a time, but it just dawned on me, that maybe it's just not his fault, at all.

No, that's a cop-out. If he has depression then his feelings and emotions may be as a result of his condition, and he deserves our sympathy and support for that, but he's still responsible for his actions.

It explains but doesn't excuse. And in any case, I'm personally not entirely convinced that he's not using this as a convenient way of attempting to explain away serious doping charges given the timing of this bi-polar "revelation".

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The Eubank snr and jim McDonnell impersonations

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The Asian rude boys aka Khans Army

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No, every single outburst or daft/ignorant comment could not be attributed to the condition.

Some of his highs and lows would be attributed to it, some irritable or reactive outbursts would be linked to it, a lot of his saying what he should have kept private would be down to it, but his actual world views and opinions could not all be blamed on the condition.

The condition, if he is afflicted with it, would make him more prone to outbursts and saying what he thinks in a rash manner, but it would not be the be all and end all reason as to WHY he holds certain views.


Have to be honest though and say that I hope he turns out to be just a complete and utter dickhead who has some horrible opinions because the alternative is that the guy has potentially some serious mental issues and I would not wish that on anyone nor would I wish the stigma that people with such issues face on him.

No, that's a cop-out. If he has depression then his feelings and emotions may be as a result of his condition, and he deserves our sympathy and support for that, but he's still responsible for his actions.

It explains but doesn't excuse. And in any case, I'm personally not entirely convinced that he's not using this as a convenient way of attempting to explain away serious doping charges given the timing of this bi-polar "revelation".

Fair enough, was just something that came to mind when i was about to slag him off, felt a bit guilty tbh, good to have it made clearer

[Doc_Piptorious]

Fair enough, was just something that came to mind when i was about to slag him off, felt a bit guilty tbh, good to have it made clearer

Had and have some battles in recent years with depression, and I know what it is like to be a nightmare for others. I was a mix of withdrawing from people and pushing people away. Pretty much a self destructive mess who was trying to hide my issues and deflect/project onto others rather than being able to seek help or accept help.

calvoboy absolutely nailed it when he said

It explains but doesn't excuse.

From my own experience, what I was going through explained a lot of my own actions and reactions, but it certainly did not excuse most of them and it took me time to figure that one out and own the responsibility for my actions.


If Fury is suffering from any type of depression then I have nothing but empathy for him because it would be made far far worse imho through being in the public spotlight, but his own family seem to be either enabling him or making his excuses for him with the attempts they are making to push the blame onto others.

If the man needs help, then they are doing him no favours by making excuses and through blaming the media and public for every one of his outbursts. All that does is feed the monster and could push the man even further back.

He also would be making matters worse with regular drug usage and his background would possibly be another thing that would make such a struggle even more difficult for him. He also does not come across as the most intelligent of blokes. So if he does suffer from a form of depression the guy would have even more of an uphill struggle than a lot of folk imo.



I have no idea what exactly is up with Fury, he could have issues going on that genuinely need help and structure (once he is ready to for it) or he could be an arsehole who is looking for excuses when there is a backlash to racist, sexist and bigoted views. I said yesterday I hope it is a case that he is just a prick of a person with nasty views because that would mean he does not have mental struggles and I still stand by that as I would not wish it upon him.

One thing I do strongly believe is that the guy needs to try to find a way ( or his people need to find a way for him) to stay out of the public spotlight for a bit so that he has a chance to take a step back and re-evaluate his life, his approach, his public statements etc., be it as someone who needs the right sort of help or be it as someone who has been found out to be an utter prick.


But to return to your point about feeling guilty about thinking a certain way about his public expression of views or how he has acted towards others.

Don't. Being bipolar (as that is what Fury has said) does not mean you suddenly become unaccountable for all of your words and actions. It means that you will need more consideration shown towards you at times, but it does not give you a pass to say and do what you please at all times and then expect not to have to own some of the consequences.

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Had and have some battles in recent years with depression, and I know what it is like to be a nightmare for others. I was a mix of withdrawing from people and pushing people away. Pretty much a self destructive mess who was trying to hide my issues and deflect/project onto others rather than being able to seek help or accept help.

calvoboy absolutely nailed it when he said




From my own experience, what I was going through explained a lot of my own actions and reactions, but it certainly did not excuse most of them and it took me time to figure that one out and own the responsibility for my actions.


If Fury is suffering from any type of depression then I have nothing but empathy for him because it would be made far far worse imho through being in the public spotlight, but his own family seem to be either enabling him or making his excuses for him with the attempts they are making to push the blame onto others.

If the man needs help, then they are doing him no favours by making excuses and through blaming the media and public for every one of his outbursts. All that does is feed the monster and could push the man even further back.

He also would be making matters worse with regular drug usage and his background would possibly be another thing that would make such a struggle even more difficult for him. He also does not come across as the most intelligent of blokes. So if he does suffer from a form of depression the guy would have even more of an uphill struggle than a lot of folk imo.



I have no idea what exactly is up with Fury, he could have issues going on that genuinely need help and structure (once he is ready to for it) or he could be an arsehole who is looking for excuses when there is a backlash to racist, sexist and bigoted views. I said yesterday I hope it is a case that he is just a prick of a person with nasty views because that would mean he does not have mental struggles and I still stand by that as I would not wish it upon him.

One thing I do strongly believe is that the guy needs to try to find a way ( or his people need to find a way for him) to stay out of the public spotlight for a bit so that he has a chance to take a step back and re-evaluate his life, his approach, his public statements etc., be it as someone who needs the right sort of help or be it as someone who has been found out to be an utter prick.


But to return to your point about feeling guilty about thinking a certain way about his public expression of views or how he has acted towards others.

Don't. Being bipolar (as that is what Fury has said) does not mean you suddenly become unaccountable for all of your words and actions. It means that you will need more consideration shown towards you at times, but it does not give you a pass to say and do what you please at all times and then expect not to have to own some of the consequences.

Aye, hit the nail on the head with this!

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Boxing's bent as ****.

Ricky Burns just got an absolute gift tonight. 118 - 110 on one of the judges scorecards. His opponent easily won the first two and last three rounds of the fight.

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And Dillian Whyte v Ian 'Tubby 'Lewison ...what a farce that was and it took Whyte 10 rounds to win

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I guess it shows that Joshua is carrying glass.

Whyte hasn't looked remotely like rocking any of his past two domestic opponents but had Joshua doing a fair impression of Bambi on ice

[RichC]

Does it ?

Didn't Fury get stuck on his arse by a cruiser ? Surely he's "carrying glass" then

[Bender]

I guess it shows that Joshua is carrying glass.

Whyte hasn't looked remotely like rocking any of his past two domestic opponents but had Joshua doing a fair impression of Bambi on ice

TBH i thought Joshua took what Whyte dished out well.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Don't think it tells us anything about Joshua's punch resistance tbh in terms of him having weak whiskers or not.


The only thing we do know is that Whyte landed against Joshua and Joshua was able to go on to win by KO. What that fight did suggest is that stamina rather than weak whiskers might, just might, be Joshua's weakness.


For me Heavyweights have to be judged a little bit differently to other weights when it comes to punching power and punch resistance. Thanks to their size and training most heavyweights can hit hard and on a given day a competent professional heavyweight can land the sort of punch that can stagger, but maybe not stop, most other fighters in the division.


Sure there are heavies that bring ridiculous power to the table, and then there are the so called light punchers (who in reality still hit with the sort of force one would expect from trained fighters weighing on average 16 stone or more), but it is a division where sheer size will see a greater chance of average fighters being able to stagger/stun/rock the better fighters, even if only for a moment, during a bout.


My own suspicion is that Joshua has a pretty average level of punch resistance for a heavyweight, which is not a knock, the sort of resistance that should serve him well against all save the sort of heavyweight that is top tier and the division does not have any top tier level guys in it anymore for my money.


I reckon there are two fighters in the top ten right now that I would fancy to be able to spark Joshua if they landed clean and if one of them is not as faded as he looked in his last fight.

Wilder and Wlad.

But if Wlad is as faded as he looked then I would fancy Joshua to have at least a 50/50 chance against him if not better.


Wilder I think is a little be more savvy in the ring than Joshua at present and I think he is faster, but it would be very interesting to see them find out as to which of them has serious power and which one does not. Think I would probably lean at present towards Wilder but not as much as I would have a year ago. Is probably just a shade away from being a 50/50 fight right now, probably a 55/45 in favour of Wilder if I was forced to pick one of them.


Outside of those two I think that pretty much the rest of the top 10 to top 15 is very beatable for Joshua and that few there would even come close to being seen as a 50/50 rival for him on form.


Fury I have left out because of his issues, but if it were the Fury of the Wlad fight and maybe the two fights before that then I would favour him over Joshua as he would be able to spoil and break up Joshua's rhythm.