Boxing

[Saveloy]

Listening to Adam Smith on SSN speaking about Joshua, talking up Pulev. It always makes me laugh how you get journos like Smith in boxing. They have this huge hard on for the sport and are 'experts' but have never done anything other than watch it. There isn't enough money in the world that would trigger them to step into the ring and they've never trained fighters from a technical side. It's like boxing is the only sport in the world where you get this type of journalist as the face. Clueless ****s like Jim Lampley have made a name from the sport. It doesn't always sit right with me. Especially when they start talking about the psychology, heart, fitness, chin etc of the fighters. I hate it that the public identify non fighting men with the sport.

When I was younger I had some amateur fights and sparred hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds - I don't think that qualifies me at all understand what happens in world championship bout, but people like me can at least relate. There is zero chance that Larry Merchant knows the feeling where he's so exhausted and can't lift his hands and it's easier to get punched in the face than it is to lift your arms to block or move to slip them. Yet, he'll stand there so smug after a KO and ask the defeated boxer if his chin is **** because he got KO'd or dropped. The one which stands in my mind the most is when Sergio Martinez knocked out Paul Williams with the most vicious left handed counter punch i've ever seen and one of those pricks at HBO asked Williams in the post fight interview what went wrong because his chin is usually great... It's like the Martinez tapped him and he fell down for no reason.

Is this me or does it frustrate others too?

I'd guess just Jaco

[Vermilion]

Good overview of both fighters. imo.

[ame="https://youtu.be/1l2fl4PGvGA"]CANELO IS MAKING A "HUGE" MISTAKE VS GGG.... - YouTube[/ame]

Can't wait, so looking forward to this one.

[Vermilion]

Golden Boy Boxing.
Published on 30 Aug 2017
Take an in-depth look at Canelo Alvarez and Gennady ''GGG'' Golovkin leading up to their fight for middleweight supremacy.

[ame="https://youtu.be/8jiE1lnXYSA"]Countdown to Canelo vs Golovkin - English - YouTube[/ame]

There's a great shot in this of both fighters in their trunks relaxed stood with Duran and Hearns, i had thought Canelo looked big, even imagined him to be the bigger man going into this, but he's not, GGG has a naturally bigger frame, noticably.

[Vermilion]

[ame="https://youtu.be/gvSD10pHfFA"]Drunken Master • The Best Boxer You Never Heard Of - YouTube[/ame]

[Le Chef]

Joshua fighting Pulev next, confirmed for late October. Pulev will do well to go 4 rounds.

Bum fight isn't it - Then he goes up against Ortiz after that ...

Would like to see one the Parker/Fury winner take on Wilder early next year then Wilder and Joshua get it on summertime 18 - Most likely be a Vegas fight but I'd love to see it at the MSG or Alabama

[Le Chef]

Listening to Adam Smith on SSN speaking about Joshua, talking up Pulev. It always makes me laugh how you get journos like Smith in boxing. They have this huge hard on for the sport and are 'experts' but have never done anything other than watch it. There isn't enough money in the world that would trigger them to step into the ring and they've never trained fighters from a technical side. It's like boxing is the only sport in the world where you get this type of journalist as the face. Clueless ****s like Jim Lampley have made a name from the sport. It doesn't always sit right with me. Especially when they start talking about the psychology, heart, fitness, chin etc of the fighters. I hate it that the public identify non fighting men with the sport.

When I was younger I had some amateur fights and sparred hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds - I don't think that qualifies me at all understand what happens in world championship bout, but people like me can at least relate. There is zero chance that Larry Merchant knows the feeling where he's so exhausted and can't lift his hands and it's easier to get punched in the face than it is to lift your arms to block or move to slip them. Yet, he'll stand there so smug after a KO and ask the defeated boxer if his chin is **** because he got KO'd or dropped. The one which stands in my mind the most is when Sergio Martinez knocked out Paul Williams with the most vicious left handed counter punch i've ever seen and one of those pricks at HBO asked Williams in the post fight interview what went wrong because his chin is usually great... It's like the Martinez tapped him and he fell down for no reason.

Is this me or does it frustrate others too?

Steve Bunce is a decent commentator these days

[Doc_Piptorious]

Bum fight isn't it - Then he goes up against Ortiz after that ...

Would like to see one the Parker/Fury winner take on Wilder early next year then Wilder and Joshua get it on summertime 18 - Most likely be a Vegas fight but I'd love to see it at the MSG or Alabama

Pulev is a decent boxer, skill wise, but in a journeyman kind of way. The kind you expect to see padding out a champion's record but not the type you would expect to see being hyped as some kind of threat.


His biggest problem against Joshua lies in the fact he offers no real threat in terms of power. He is not the most physically powerful of heavyweight despite him not being a small man, and he certainly is not a big hitter.

And the worst thing for him is that not being a big hitter thing, because not only is he lacking the sort of keep away power he would need to survive a respectable duration with Joshua, he does not even have the sort of power to put away guys that were fodder to Joshua.


If Pulev has the fight of his career, then he lasts four rounds, maybe five, but my guess is that he is down and out by round two.



As for the winner of Fury/Parker against Joshua. That would be an early night as well. Parker might last to the middle rounds on a good night and I would see Fury lasting even less time with Joshua.


Wish they would just cut to the chase and get the fight against Wilder ironed out.

[Vermilion]

Think we'll see both go heavy on the body shots in this one, both have such great stamina and chins.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVeIFynUKE4"]Saul Canelo Alvarez VS Gennady GGG Golovkin - A GOLDEN BOY PRODUCTION - FINAL HYPE BEFORE THE FIGHT - YouTube[/ame]

[Doc_Piptorious]

Think we'll see both go heavy on the body shots in this one, both have such great stamina and chins.

Saul Canelo Alvarez VS Gennady GGG Golovkin - A GOLDEN BOY PRODUCTION - FINAL HYPE BEFORE THE FIGHT - YouTube

If we put aside the what ifs of whether Golovkin is on the slide, or whether Canelo can go with a genuine high quality middleweight and any other such things, and just look at the style of fighting/boxing that each man excels at. Then it is a wonderful pairing.


On paper it is as good a style match up as Ward/Kovalev looked. granted those fights were not classics but they were high calibre.

Golovkin/Canelo is just as good on paper, probably better, as a mesh of styles. If anything their styles would suggest that a tactical fight or a guns blazing one would be better and more fascinating that Ward/Kovalev.


After the muck that was Mayweather Jr/McGregor, it is great to have an actual high quality match up happening so soon. I do feel sorry in a way for people that bought into the hype around the freak show last month as many will go away thinking that is what boxing is all about, when a fight like that coming up next weekend would be a much better one to how what is good about boxing.

[marcus50bucks]

I've been changing my prediction as we build up to the event but I think Canelo will win by points or late tko. I think if Canelo lands what Brook landed on Golovkin, I think it will be a long night for him. Golovkin is a pressure fighter but Canelo is an adaptable counter puncher. I will go as far as saying Golovkin only has a plan A, whereas Canelo has plan a, b, c and d. If he takes Golovkin's A game away by making him pay with body shots for constantly coming forward, he will win imo. The liver can't take too much abuse and Canelo's body punches are on point!

[Doc_Piptorious]

I've been changing my prediction as we build up to the event but I think Canelo will win by points or late tko. I think if Canelo lands what Brook landed on Golovkin, I think it will be a long night for him. Golovkin is a pressure fighter but Canelo is an adaptable counter puncher. I will go as far as saying Golovkin only has a plan A, whereas Canelo has plan a, b, c and d. If he takes Golovkin's A game away by making him pay with body shots for constantly coming forward, he will win imo. The liver can't take too much abuse and Canelo's body punches are on point!

Canelo is a lovely counter puncher who is usually great at timing his opponent, and when on the front foot he is a very good boxer/punncher, but is a tad unfair to say that Golovkin only has a plan A.

Due to how destructive Golovkin has been in generally he gets seen as a swarming pressure fighter, but the guy is also a beautiful boxer and so well balanced. He was an amazing amateur and schooled a number of fighters there who went on to be well respected pros.

I personally think Golovkin is on the slide a bit and that he is a tad slower going forward and backwards, but he is well capable of out boxing an opponent. We rarely see this side of him as he is tough enough to gamble on taking a **** or three in order to land a heavier shot of his own.

To be honest I think many of us in here could give a number of valid reasons as to why Canelo should win, and I think that is what makes this pairing such a good one as it is a genuine 50/50 fight

But I think I am still leaning towards Golovkin myself.


I made a comparison earlier in the thread between Golovkin and Marvin Hagler. The version of Hagler that fought Hamsho and Mugabi. I still think that where Hagler was in terms of decline at that point of his career is where Golovkin is now in terms of decline. Still a top boxer but not the great one he was.


And for anyone who may not have seen it...Hagler vs Mugabi

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttRrZZAwAZ0"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttRrZZAwAZ0[/ame]


Most folk will rightly know of Hagler's three rounds of all out war with Hearns, but as you watch the above video, keep an eye out for just before the 25 minute mark in this video...two tough men going to work.

[Shaggy]

Jesus ****ing Christ, the last 2 minutes of that 6th round

[Shaggy]

And just for the hell of it....this never gets old

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ2UopqhB3Y"]HAGLER vs HEARNS REMASTERED HD Greatest 3 rounds in Boxing! Full Fight - YouTube[/ame]

[Zapater]

Canelo is a lovely counter puncher who is usually great at timing his opponent, and when on the front foot he is a very good boxer/punncher, but is a tad unfair to say that Golovkin only has a plan A.

Due to how destructive Golovkin has been in generally he gets seen as a swarming pressure fighter, but the guy is also a beautiful boxer and so well balanced. He was an amazing amateur and schooled a number of fighters there who went on to be well respected pros.

I personally think Golovkin is on the slide a bit and that he is a tad slower going forward and backwards, but he is well capable of out boxing an opponent. We rarely see this side of him as he is tough enough to gamble on taking a **** or three in order to land a heavier shot of his own.

I agree, he's got a great amateur pedigree as I agreed to earlier and people don't always recognise that. It's not just his range, he also has a skill which is not really spoken about a lot. I call it 'same time punching', I guess you could call it time punching, but getting in at the same time by selecting a better or/and harder shot than the opponent. Alvarez is also very good at this skill, so it could be some interesting exchanges - he loves that swiping uppercut on the back end, I think Golovkin is too smart for that, but it's a great punch if a guy is coming in, it'll be dependent on how much Golovkin respects Alvarez' power.

Golovkin's last few fights weren't the best and he may be declining, however I'm pretty sure the occasion will see the best. He's a true fighting man, his motivation and preperation will surely bring the best out of him even if he'll never replicate it again. We've seen over the hill fighters come out and roll back the years for a big fight. I'm not saying that Golovkin is over the hill but I'm expecting a much better version of him to what we saw against Brook and Jacobs. It's also worth noting that Jacobs disregarded the weight requirements to such a degree that it would have an impact on the fight.

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Hagler, what a fighter. Incredible. Even his earlier fights before the Hearns etc are fantastic. I can't believe how well he boxes orthodox for a southpaw. At complete ease. I can watch his bouts all day. I struggle to think of others as ambidextrous - Terence Crawford is pretty good too.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Jesus ****ing Christ, the last 2 minutes of that 6th round

And that was two men who could hit hard and who both had great chins.

And to put that fight into context for Hagler, that was his next fight after the war with Hearns. Man was a true warrior in the ring.