Boxing

[S-RED]

what a **** fight

[labourRed]

Didn't think he had it on him but Joshua has boxed Ruiz beautifully for 7 rounds.

He's no Lennox Lewis but he did OK tonight.

Set up for a trilogy.

[Cormack74]

Never in doubt.

[spud_gun]

He's no Lennox Lewis but he did OK tonight.

Set up for a trilogy.

Leagues apart. Lewis is an ATG.

Doubtful we'll see a third fight. It'd simply be a repeat of tonight and there's not much appetite for that.

Ortiz in May / June then if he wins the winner of Wilder / Fury this time next year

[labourRed]

Joshua lifting the hand of the crown prince is indefensible.

A family of a murdered journalist will be sickened.

[labourRed]

Leagues apart. Lewis is an ATG.

No doubt.

[Deano]

Fury best in that division - Can see Wilder forgoing the Fury fight and trying to get AJ before the mandoraty against Ortiz. Shame ,but I can see Fury being locked out as no-one fancies him

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Can see Joshua beating Fury and knocking out/getting knocked out by Wilder.
They're all pretty **** though.
I watched a few old Lennox Lewis fights the other night and it made me sad how far the division has dropped in quality.

[Deano]

Can see Joshua beating Fury and knocking out/getting knocked out by Wilder.
They're all pretty **** though.
I watched a few old Lennox Lewis fights the other night and it made me sad how far the division has dropped in quality.

Nah, not having that, a still fat Fury went the distance against Wilder and should have got the decision. AJ, one paced and lacks punch.

Fury still the linear champ

[Zapater]

Nah, not having that, a still fat Fury went the distance against Wilder and should have got the decision. AJ, one paced and lacks punch.

Fury still the linear champ

The same Fury who almost lost to journeymen, 8 round figher Otto Wallin? I still have no idea where this love for Fury has come from since his return. Other than the Wlad fight where he was brilliant and Wlad was awful he's the same **** fighter he's always been.

In the mix, Whyte and Ortiz will fancy themselves too, not much difference between them Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz etc. Think Ortiz could be a nightmare for Joshua, even Rivas wouldn't be an ideal style for Joshua. Don't rate him at all, but if Parker racks up a few more wins and gets/wins the Chisora rematch, he'll be in for some big fights again too.

[Deano]

Too much baggage with Whyte, I think Oritz will be a nightmare for most, Parker was too passive against AJ and wouldn't have a chance against any of the bigger hitters in the division.No love in for Fury from me, but I was in Dusseldorf when he outboxed Wlad, alas Out of the lads who I went with I was the only one on Fury to win. Very underrated technically, every sees the loopy **** he does and thinks he's a David price with a decent chin.

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Too much baggage with Whyte, I think Oritz will be a nightmare for most, Parker was too passive against AJ and wouldn't have a chance against any of the bigger hitters in the division.No love in for Fury from me, but I was in Dusseldorf when he outboxed Wlad, alas Out of the lads who I went with I was the only one on Fury to win. Very underrated technically, every sees the loopy **** he does and thinks he's a David price with a decent chin.

He hasn't got Price's punching power.
Seriously he's beaten a load of bums and got off the floor to be robbed of a win against a freaky puncher with no boxing skills.
His career best fight against Klitschko was possibly the worst heavyweight title fight ever - Klitschko's partner was in and out of institutions with depression following the birth of their child. He was practically asleep during the fight and there was only one occasion Klitschko appeared to remember he was in the ring and opened up.
Total "punches" landed in the entire fight was 138.
Klitschko had been just as poor in his previous fight against Bryant Jennings.

There is an absolute dirth of talent in the heavyweights.

[Pablo]

He's no Lennox Lewis but he did OK tonight.

Set up for a trilogy.

**** no. Hard pass on that.

[BillobShaisley]

My point is that people say that Mike Tyson is a heavyweight great and what he beat wasn't too much better. Apart from Spinks, Holmes (who was only a million years old), Bruno at a stretch; the other names on his list were decent at best [at the time of the fights]. Lost to Holyfield, stopped by Lewis, dodged Bowe/Tua etc. Sure there were some tough fights on paper against good fighters but other than the above, there aren't any real standout wins.

In sports, particularly boxing it's always 'older is better'. Whilst the mentality is fair enough and I agree to it to some point, it discredits what lots of people are doing now. I remember someone telling me after Golovkin - Canelo 1 that there aren't any exciting middleweights anymore and there haven't been knockouts since Hagler. Where in reality at the time Golovkin had a higher KO% than Hagler. These 'all time' lists from 'experts' always have a huge American bias. The welterweight division from the mid 90s to until after 2010 was exceptional and many of those fighters will be inducted to the hall of fame, but people still claim that Mayweather for example had it easy because there aren't hard fights out there. Mosley, De La Hoya, Cotto, Marquez etc would have been brilliant in any era and people will probably wax lyrical over them in 20 years time.



You're much better at adding than I am. Regardless, I don't feel that Fury has a case for 'robbery'.

On the middleweights, Haggler, Hearns, SRL, Duran were in a different league to the modern ones. Roy Jones at super and De La Hoya would have got a shot at the title, not sure the others you mentioned would have been top 10 in Haggler's day.

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To Zapater

To be fair Tyson fought most of his fights with little to no training,an out of control lifestyle and pretty heavy drug use.
I'd also say you're giving little credit to fighters like Tony Tubbs,Pinklon Thomas,Tony Tucker and Donovan Ruddock who would all be in the mix at the very least if they were fighting today.