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[Doc_Piptorious]

I've always thought Brook would win, heavier hands. Khan stays at the table for too long and it's not good for anyone, especially with his chin. Don't know what kind of shape either of them is in but would back Kell to land the more telling shots. Possibly the most irrelevant bout makeable at this stage that will still make money.

Sugar Ray Eubank read your post and said hold my warm milk.


He was talking **** last night about how he would fight Brook. You know the greatest boxer ever Sugar stick legs jr who a couple weeks ago was on about taking on the best of the best, now he is on about going after a much smaller washed up fighter.

Would be a battle between a has been and a never was.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Wow was watching an American stream and Andre Ward didn't give Khan a round.

Now there was a technician. Always was one of my favourites to watch for technique and for that almost peerless ability to switch hit with no tells.

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Was too busy to get to the bookies (don't do online as I registered to GAMSTOP at start of lockdown and haven't missed it) to place my bet.
Was going to be £30 each on Brook in Rds 2,3 and 4 lol
20-1,16-1,16-1
Was quite relieved when he got through the 4th.
Fight went almost exactly as I anticipated (hoped lol)

[Doc_Piptorious]

Yeah was happy with the result and went about as well as it could for Brook and as such was happy for Brook too.

Only thing that would have been better would have been a dynamite first round KO of Khan.

Now both need to hang their gloves up and not get back into a ring again, especially not with someone that is not washed up.

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Who has the better resume Khan or Brook?

Does Kahn's win against Maidana top Brook's against Porter?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Who has the better resume Khan or Brook?

Does Kahn's win against Maidana top Brook's against Porter?

Neither has a really good cv really. A lot more hype over substance when you go through the names on both lists, especially when you look at the "big" names that both beat.

They tended to only beat a biggish name when that name was already well past it.

When either faced a good fight that was in his prime, it tended to mean a loss especially in the case of Khan.

Think you have probably nailed the best win for each, and personally I rate Porter as having been a better fighter than Maidana, so would rate a win over Porter as a better name to have on your record.

However whilst I think Brook has the best win to his name of the two, I also think Brook took on far too low a level of oppenent for longer than Khan dd so he has more sub par wins than Khan.

Khan also took on a greater number of live fighters (usually ending in a loss for Khan) than Brook did over his career.


For me, Brook took on four tough fights in his career (lost three of the four) whereas Khan took on six tough fights ( seven if you rate Malignaggi as one ) imo ( lost four of the six (or seven) )

Am not including their fight against each other in that.

IMO of course.

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Who has the better resume Khan or Brook?

Does Kahn's win against Maidana top Brook's against Porter?

Definitely Khan, even though he lost more, on average he tested himself against stronger opposition. In addition, due to his lack of discipline and refusal to use a gameplan which maximise his strengths, Khan has been in some really entertaining fights. Brook is in a weird catergory. He seemed to either fight elite opponents who were better than him or mediocre, European level fighters. Very few really good but not great like Porter. I think if he had more of those fights he would leave the sport with a better legacy and for me there's no doubt he'd have lost the majority of them but he's decent enough to have got a couple of scalps.

I think the Maidana fight should have been stopped in the 11th or whatever. It was a good win and Khan did really well to hold on. If he can't speak in 10 year time, it'll no doubt be because of the unnecessary punishment taken in that and the Dani Garcia fights. Even though Lamont Peterson isn't a huge puncher, he got caught a lot in that fight and don't think that did him any god either.

I also think about the Khan chin sentiment and wonder how much of it is him not being able to take a shot vs him being consistently hit with punches that no other professional will let themselves be hit with. Whilst he wobbles easily, he has shaken some very decent punches over the course of his career. I'm not saying he's got granite in his jaw but if anyone is hit hard enough, often enough they're going and Khan takes them all day. Zab Judah is a pretty big puncher and even though he was done at the time, I expected him to take Khan out for example but couldn't.

It was a good performance from Brook although hard to gauge considering how washed up Khan is. I'll be disappointed to see either of them step into the ring again, both need to accept that they had reasonable careers and are now done.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Definitely Khan, even though he lost more, on average he tested himself against stronger opposition. In addition, due to his lack of discipline and refusal to use a gameplan which maximise his strengths, Khan has been in some really entertaining fights. Brook is in a weird catergory. He seemed to either fight elite opponents who were better than him or mediocre, European level fighters. Very few really good but not great like Porter. I think if he had more of those fights he would leave the sport with a better legacy and for me there's no doubt he'd have lost the majority of them but he's decent enough to have got a couple of scalps.

I think the Maidana fight should have been stopped in the 11th or whatever. It was a good win and Khan did really well to hold on. If he can't speak in 10 year time, it'll no doubt be because of the unnecessary punishment taken in that and the Dani Garcia fights. Even though Lamont Peterson isn't a huge puncher, he got caught a lot in that fight and don't think that did him any god either.

I also think about the Khan chin sentiment and wonder how much of it is him not being able to take a shot vs him being consistently hit with punches that no other professional will let themselves be hit with. Whilst he wobbles easily, he has shaken some very decent punches over the course of his career. I'm not saying he's got granite in his jaw but if anyone is hit hard enough, often enough they're going and Khan takes them all day. Zab Judah is a pretty big puncher and even though he was done at the time, I expected him to take Khan out for example but couldn't.

It was a good performance from Brook although hard to gauge considering how washed up Khan is. I'll be disappointed to see either of them step into the ring again, both need to accept that they had reasonable careers and are now done.

Think it is simply a case that both are washed up, just that Khan is much more so.


I thought Brook look really poor in training and his timing looks off to the degree a sharp fighter would punish him. Against Khan he only needed to be a shadow of his past self to win, but I would fear for him, especially his eyes, if he went in with a younger fighter in their prime as he is probably still tough enough to take a savage beating.


I agree that Khan has faced better guys (but generally lost every time he faced a good live fighter), but in terms of career wins I think Brook has the best career win of the two in beating Porter.

Not sure I would rate Judah as a good win as Judah was very much on the decline when Khan faced him.

Would defo think that Maidana is Khan's best win whereas Porter is Brook's and that Porter then was better than Maidana then.

Does speaks volumes for both Khan and Brook though that we are looking at their entire careers and only able to pick out Maidana and Porter as probbly being their best wins, says a hell of a lot about how far away both were from being top tier operators themselves.

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Agree with your sentiments regarding Judah. His best days were well behind him when he faced Khan.

He's a good name for Khan to have on his resume but that's about it. Similar
to Khan beating up the ghost of Barrera.

We're all in agreement that Brook's best days are quite a bit behind him. The worry is that after Saturday he and his team think he can still fight at a high level and he again gets himself hurt.

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Anyhow enough of the has-beens

It's Josh Taylor time

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/21/josh-taylor-terence-crawford-is-the-fight-that-would-give-me-the-fear-factor

[Shaggy]

Anyone see Bradley Rea on the undercard?

Local lad to me, lovely fella too. He's a very good prospect - heavy hands. One to watch

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ErlL2rUIVw"]WHAT A WIN! Brad Rea's THRILLING first-round KO on Craig McCarthy - YouTube[/ame]

[Doc_Piptorious]

Anyhow enough of the has-beens

It's Josh Taylor time

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...he-fear-factor

That would be a tasty fight. One truly worthy of being a PPV event. Would be a throwback to when the best fought the best. Taylor is very much the real deal and has everything in his armoury.

Because he would be the under dog against Crawford, it would very much be a free hit for him imo. He wins and he beats the best in the world at that weight, he loses, well he can say I lost to the very best and go again.


Taylor vs Spence is another bout that would be mouth watering if Taylor wants to move up a weight.


Quite looking forward to his bout against Catterall as well. Expect Taylor to win and win well, but at the same time Catterall looks good enough to be competitive and announce himself ready to take on better guys than he has to date.

Him and Taylor are great to watch in the ring. Really good performers.

Catterall being a slick operator who thinks on his feet, whilst Taylor can match him in terms of technique (at the very least) but is a much heavier hitter.

In many ways the bout against Taylor is a similar type of free hit for Catterall. He is not expected to win and a loss to someone as good as Taylor will not damage his rep, especially if he can make it comnpetive for a bit.

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Crawford vs Taylor would be a great boxing match.

The stars may well be aligning for Taylor on this one. Crawford isn't getting any younger. Porter aside he's taken a few 'gimmie' fights over the last few years at Welterweight (Not that there's any shame in him doing that)

Taylor despite being 31 has only had 18 pro fights. Admittedly the last 5 - excluding the guy from Thailand for fairly obvious reasons - have been battles and that's before the Catterall fight.

Lets hope Taylor can do the business on Saturday and then we can start dreaming.

Coincidently i'm down the end of town where the weigh in takes place on Friday. So very tempted to go along. The only draw back is that the wife will be with me and i don't think she'd be at all keen. Last weigh i went along to was the one for the Postol fight in the St Enoch shopping centre

[Doc_Piptorious]

Crawford vs Taylor would be a great boxing match.

The stars may well be aligning for Taylor on this one. Crawford isn't getting any younger. Porter aside he's taken a few 'gimmie' fights over the last few years at Welterweight (Not that there's any shame in him doing that)

Taylor despite being 31 has only had 18 pro fights. Admittedly the last 5 - excluding the guy from Thailand for fairly obvious reasons - have been battles and that's before the Catterall fight.

Lets hope Taylor can do the business on Saturday and then we can start dreaming.

Coincidently i'm down the end of town where the weigh in takes place on Friday. So very tempted to go along. The only draw back is that the wife will be with me and i don't think she'd be at all keen. Last weigh i went along to was the one for the Postol fight in the St Enoch shopping centre

Even though Viktor Postol is six or seven years older than Taylor, that was still a very good win. Even now he is a good operator capable of taking the best the distance. Taylor's second best win imo, and even more impressive is the fact Taylor was taking on someone that good in only his 13th fight.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Neen a bit tasty between Taylor and Catterall.


Catterall looks in great shape and could make it a much better fight than logic would dictate. Do think Catterall is a nice neat fighter, not a Taylor level fighter to date, but am still of the thinking that this is a win win fight for him.


A good performance that ends in a loss still sees his stock skyrocket, and an unexpected win sees him win all the belts.


Still think Taylor stops him somewhere around rounds seven to nine, but cannot shake the feeling this could be a cracking fight.