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imagine being a simp for Tyson Fury

[Doc_Piptorious]

imagine being a simp for Tyson Fury

To be fair, say anything about Andre Ward and that is a hill that I will die upon.

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That was a farce of a boxing match..Whyte was huffing and puffing so early on and just couldn't get close to Fury

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To be fair, say anything about Andre Ward and that is a hill that I will die upon.

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imagine being a simp for Tyson Fury

You lost money betting on a Whyte KO and i'm the foolish one?

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Spud, stop being a troll on this point.

A few months ago you attacked me for talking up Whyte, then I pointed out to you what was actually in my posts about Fury vs Whyte (in which I said anything less that a stoppage win for Fury would be a bad result for Fury such was the gap between him and Whyte in quality and then I went over what I thought were the only chances I thought Whyte would have to get a long shot win against Fury) and then you said sorry that you had not read the posts properly, and here we are again you attacking my posts and not having a ****ing clue what you are on about again with regards to what a person actually said in the past.

You just seem to either make up what people have said (which I doubt you are doing tbf) or just cannot remember who said what and just attack people here (which I think is the case here) rather than offering any counterpoint or even trying to debate any disagreementy you have with comments about the sport.

I get you are a massive mark for Fury and that's cool, personal choices and likes and all that good stuff, but the only tedious thing is you seeing slights against Fury that are not even there and then leaping in to insult people rather than doing something like debating people's POV and debating why you think they are right or wrong.

The division is **** at present imo. If you think it is a strong division and that guys like Wilder, Whyte, Wallin, Parker etc etc are actually quality fighters then cool. Way I see it is it is the worst the division has ever been. Yes Fury is probably the best in the division but one man does not a division make.

Yes I talked about the fight a few months ago, but what I saw last night was a let down imo, and a boring **** fight. Now Whyte being utter muck played a huge part in it being a **** fight, but **** is ****. Could have been Uysk in the ring against Whyre, could have been Joshua. That fight was a **** watch no matter who was in it.

And I did not criticse Fury in my post either. Only good thing about the fight was his uppercut and I did praise that shot as it was sweet.
You could take a genuine world class heavyweight from the past like a prime Lennox Lewis in the division now and take Fury out of the division altogether and put him into the past instead of Lewis if we had some sort of time machine/person swap ability, and the current division would still be a **** one and just a **** division that happened to have Lennox Lewis in it.

You want to debate stuff why you think the division is not ****, then cool I would be happy to do that. You want to keep attacking and making up **** like how I was "talking up Whyte" (and go back and read my posts on Whyte that you yourself replied to a few months back for proof) which I assume means you are saying I said Whyte was going to win last night, then I will just take it that you have some issue with me and just treat you like a cunt across the board.


Edit: I see you edited your post to change what you said.

So now I am salty and you also called Fidget salty for saying something you did not agree with LOL. Bit of a pattern there fella

No attacking or trolling on my part Jaco

Just enjoying the mental gymnastics that you and a fair few others around these parts pull with regards to Fury.

Here's your post from when the fight with Whyte was announced

Fury vs Whyte looks like it will happen.

April 23rd the supposed date if nobody pulls out.

Shaggy replies on the thread....

A pointless fight

And then you hop in....

Why? There is nobody decent available outside of Whyte unless Fury goes after some plumbers or goes after slow plodding easy meat young up and comers like 36 yo Joyce a man that makes Frank Bruno look fluid and agile. A modern day Primo Carnera if you will.

Dubois is more of the same albeit younger and even managed to be knocked out by Joyce. Fury would chew him up.

Whyte has earned his shot and been the number one contender for what feels like an age.

He is also a far more dangerous opponent that a joke like Wilder.

Fury will not be as lax against Whyte as he was against Wilder. He had no fear or respect for Wilder after the first fight as he knew after that how poor a boxer Wilder was.

Whyte may not be a great heavyweight, then again who is in 2022, but he is technically far better than Wilder (a man with worse footwork than Stephen Hawkings), he is bigger and stronger than Wilder, and a far more live opponent.

Plus Fury needs to start adding some decent names to his record if he wants to keep calling himself a top fighter because right now he has a good win over Wlad to his name and not much else to warrant all the praise he lavishes upon himself.

Wilder he outclassed but Wilder is a terrible boxer and beating him is hardly the achievement of the century that Fury and his supporters like to make it out to be.

We also were never going to get Uysk vs Fury, something that was made very clear in the past few days when Uysk's manager released how Fury's side pretty much wanted nothing to do with the negotiations for that fight and the silence from Fury abnd his camp is pretty damning imho as Fury rarely stays quiet on anything but not a peep of denial from him about the negotiations with Usyk.

Take Usyk and Joshua (who was never going to be meeting Fury without a belt) out of the mix and Whyte is probably the best of the rest of who Fury could meet.

I have to admit I am surprised Fury said yes to fighting Whyte as I expected him to swerve him by dropping the belt or pull out due to an "injury" (suppose the latter could still happen), so him saying yes to Whyte is a positive imo.

Sets up Fury vs Whyte meeting the winner of Usyk vs Joshua.

Talk about talking the fight up....More dangerous than Wilder, he's bigger and stronger than Wilder, and a far more live opponent. A good name for Fury's resume and the added eureka moment of suggesting that Fury may drop a belt to avoid Whyte . Where did that particular gem come from?

I imagine I'd be feeling as salty as yourself this morning ('****e fight' etc) if I'd talked up Whyte in a similar fashion and then watched as Fury comprehensively dismantled and demolished him. All the while your man never once showing himself to be more a dangerous (or live) opponent than Wilder.

Whyte's a busted flush. The Povetkin fight last year showed that.

I'd suggest the only reason you were talking him up was because he was fighting Fury. I've not looked back through the thread, and I'm more than happy to stand corrected, but i don't recall you talking Whyte up that much prior to the announcement of the Fury fight.

So right back at you Jaco. It's clear you don't like the fella. I'd suggest it's something other than just the boxing. Not sure it's the criminal links either. Is it the knacker thing that you don't like?

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You lost money betting on a Whyte KO and i'm the foolish one?

Hey - I'm not going to kink shame you.
If simping for big Ty floats your boat more power to you.
I think it's affecting your comprehension skills though

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Hey - I'm not going to kink shame you.
If simping for big Ty floats your boat more power to you.
I think it's affecting your comprehension skills though

Nah, the big man is a mighty fine boxer in the modern heavyweight division.

You're just salty as ****

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No attacking or trolling on my part Jaco

Just enjoying the mental gymnastics that you and a fair few others around these parts pull with regards to Fury.

Here's your post from when the fight with Whyte was announced



Shaggy replies on the thread....



And then you hop in....



Talk about talking the fight up....More dangerous than Wilder, he's bigger and stronger than Wilder, and a far more live opponent. A good name for Fury's resume and the added eureka moment of suggesting that Fury may drop a belt to avoid Whyte . Where did that particular gem come from?

I imagine I'd be feeling as salty as yourself this morning ('****e fight' etc) if I'd talked up Whyte in a similar fashion and then watched as Fury comprehensively dismantled and demolished him. All the while your man never once showing himself to be more a dangerous (or live) opponent than Wilder.

Whyte's a busted flush. The Povetkin fight last year showed that.

I'd suggest the only reason you were talking him up was because he was fighting Fury. I've not looked back through the thread, and I'm more than happy to stand corrected, but i don't recall you talking Whyte up that much prior to the announcement of the Fury fight.

So right back at you Jaco. It's clear you don't like the fella. I'd suggest it's something other than just the boxing. Not sure it's the criminal links either. Is it the knacker thing that you don't like?

Funny how you left out the other posts I made on the fight though.......or the one where you said sorry for attacking me and then admitted you had not actually read the post properly......


Plus I already said I was looking forward to the fight but then felt it was a let down when I saw it as it was a **** fight.

Can a person not look forward to a fight and then think it was **** after it happens?

I said Whyte was a better boxer than Wilder imo and that is what I thought. Cannot exactly do anything about it if Whyte turned up and was utter muck on the night.

Maybe you thought it was a great fight full of technique, skill and excitement. I thought it was rubbish.

And the Knacker thing? You mean traveller yes as knacker is quite an offensive term to a traveller. Plenty of traveller boxers in Ireland fella. Andy Lee would be one, he who is a cousin of Tyson Fury. You ever see me make comments about him based on his traveller background, in fact you ever see me make a comment about Fury's traveller background? You ever see make comments about Willie Casey based on his traveller background?

No you have not so you can stick that particular accusation where the sun does not shine, fella. There are plenty of things to comment on with regards to Fury like his homophobic remarks, his sexist remarks, his racist remarks, his drug taking and so on, but you will not find one cheap shot from me about his family's ethnic background no more than you will find one comment from me about him being English. His nationality and ethnic background are irrelevant to me when it comes to how he acts as a person and what he is like in the ring.

And it is clear I do not like Fury? Well done on working that one out. I have openly said so in the forum a number of times that I do not think much of him as a person so did not think it was some secret that required figuring out.

And I am salty that Whyte lost? You yourself replied to my post in which I said I expected Fury to win handily. It was the post in which you were unable to figure out what was typed and went on another mini attack and had to have it explained to you what the post meant, and then you said sorry for misunderstanding

Not sure why I would be salty about Whyte losing a fight that I had earlier said I expected Whyte to be stopped in. Maybe I just caught whatever Salty thing Fidget had as you accused him of being salty for some reason too.


Still waiting to be shown where I slagged Fury off for last night's fight. Only comment I made about Fury was the fact he landed a lovely uppercut and that Whyte was lucky that the shot had not caught him clean on the chin as imo that shot would have put him spark out had it landed flush on the chin.

So why not tell me what was so good about the fight? You disagree with me when I thought it was ****.

Was it something Fury did in the fight that you thought made it a good fight? Maybe some aspect of his technique or ring work? Happy to read what you have to say on that. I mean I know what Fury did well to my eyes from a boxing pov last night but am happy to be taught more.



You also seem to disagree with me when I say the current heavyweight division is the worst it has ever been? So what was the worst era and why? and why is the current one better than the era you think was the worst?


Am very happy to stop any silly bugger chat and just talk boxing with you if you want to meet me half way and articulate your own takes on why you disagree with me.

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Ward and Hagler. I will never hear a bad word about either. Though to be fair it is kind of easy to argue a case for guys that were that good in the ring

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Nah, the big man is a mighty fine boxer in the modern heavyweight division.

See? That is not wrong but it also does not negate the fact the division is **** unless you are trying to say Fury is a mighty fine boxer and the modern heavyweight division is somehow a good division.


As I said earlier, you could take Fury out of the division and replace with whomever you think is the greatest heavyweight of all time, and the division would still be **** regardless of who is rated the best heavyweight in the division.

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See? That is not wrong but it also does not negate the fact the division is **** unless you are trying to say Fury is a mighty fine boxer and the modern heavyweight division is somehow a good division.


As I said earlier, you could take Fury out of the division and replace with whomever you think is the greatest heavyweight of all time, and the division would still be **** regardless of who is rated the best heavyweight in the division.

So we're in agreement that Fury is a mighty fine boxer.

Progress

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Funny how you left out the other posts I made on the fight though.......or the one where you said sorry for attacking me and then admitted you had not actually read the post properly......


Plus I already said I was looking forward to the fight but then felt it was a let down when I saw it as it was a **** fight.

Can a person not look forward to a fight and then think it was **** after it happens?

I said Whyte was a better boxer than Wilder imo and that is what I thought. Cannot exactly do anything about it if Whyte turned up and was utter muck on the night.

Maybe you thought it was a great fight full of technique, skill and excitement. I thought it was rubbish.

And the Knacker thing? You mean traveller yes as knacker is quite an offensive term to a traveller. Plenty of traveller boxers in Ireland fella. Andy Lee would be one, he who is a cousin of Tyson Fury. You ever see me make comments about him based on his traveller background, in fact you ever see me make a comment about Fury's traveller background? You ever see make comments about Willie Casey based on his traveller background?

No you have not so you can stick that particular accusation where the sun does not shine, fella. There are plenty of things to comment on with regards to Fury like his homophobic remarks, his sexist remarks, his racist remarks, his drug taking and so on, but you will not find one cheap shot from me about his family's ethnic background no more than you will find one comment from me about him being English. His nationality and ethnic background are irrelevant to me when it comes to how he acts as a person and what he is like in the ring.

And it is clear I do not like Fury? Well done on working that one out. I have openly said so in the forum a number of times that I do not think much of him as a person so did not think it was some secret that required figuring out.

And I am salty that Whyte lost? You yourself replied to my post in which I said I expected Fury to win handily. It was the post in which you were unable to figure out what was typed and went on another mini attack and had to have it explained to you what the post meant, and then you said sorry for misunderstanding

Not sure why I would be salty about Whyte losing a fight that I had earlier said I expected Whyte to be stopped in. Maybe I just caught whatever Salty thing Fidget had as you accused him of being salty for some reason too.


Still waiting to be shown where I slagged Fury off for last night's fight. Only comment I made about Fury was the fact he landed a lovely uppercut and that Whyte was lucky that the shot had not caught him clean on the chin as imo that shot would have put him spark out had it landed flush on the chin.

So why not tell me what was so good about the fight? You disagree with me when I thought it was ****.

Was it something Fury did in the fight that you thought made it a good fight? Maybe some aspect of his technique or ring work? Happy to read what you have to say on that. I mean I know what Fury did well to my eyes from a boxing pov last night but am happy to be taught more.



You also seem to disagree with me when I say the current heavyweight division is the worst it has ever been? So what was the worst era and why? and why is the current one better than the era you think was the worst?


Am very happy to stop any silly bugger chat and just talk boxing with you if you want to meet me half way and articulate your own takes on why you disagree with me.

No accusations Jaco, just curious as to why you have such a visceral dislike for the man. You're more than able to look beyond a good many boxers personal failings and appreciate what they did in the ring but you're entirely unwilling to afford Fury the same privilege.

Not sure i did suggest that you slagged Fury off for last nights fight. Certainly didn't use the word 'slagged'. Kinda ironic given you've commented on my post comprehension or lack thereof whilst appearing to be putting words into my mouth.

Still each to their own.

You continue to talk up Fury's opponents whilst backing Fury to win fights and then giving him no credit for it.

The mental gymnastics are astounding.

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So we're in agreement that Fury is a mighty fine boxer.

Progress

Mighty fine in the modern heavyweight era. As I said earlier he is highly effective.

I see Fury as highly effective and Usyk as highly skilled. Two very different things but both carry weight.

Your problem, with me, is that I think you want to cherry pick stuff that I say. You generally totally ignore when I say positive things about what Fury is good at in the ring and focus on anything negative I say about him be it something I actually said or something you think I meant.

You check my posting history here on him and I have said what I think he does well and why I think it makes him very effective. I also took the time to break down some of what I think he does in the ring and why it impacts on those he fights against.

I think he is a horrific human being but I am able to separate that from what I see in a ring.


Carloz Monzon was a piece of ****, a horrific human being and utter waste of oxygen as a human being, but I can still see what he did in a ring and acknowledge how good he was though I also lament the fact that such abilities were bestowed on such a man.

Fury is not at Monson's level in terms of being a piece of ****, but he is not a good man and there is plenty to suggest, most from his own mouth, that take on him is correct. But like Monzon his out of ring stuff does not change his effectiveness in a ring.


Let me ask you a question though. You are a massive fan of Fury. You really rate him as both a fighter and a boxer I assume.

Is it safe to say that Fury would get into your list of the top ten heavyweights of all time and if so what number would he be and what heavyweights on on that list around him.

I've given my top ten heavies, middleweights and welters in here before so no need to ask if he would make a top ten list of mine.

So Tyson Fury - a top ten of all time (all time can be just from the eras you are aware of) Heavy for you? Yes or no. And if yes who is above and below him on that list.

Am genuinely curious as to your answer and as to the why he does make your list or why he would not make your list.

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No, Fury wouldn't be on my list of top 10 heavies. I doubt he'd make anyone's top 10 list.

Reason being. There's been 10 better heavyweights down the years

In no particular order

Ali, Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, Frazier, Holyfield, Marciano, Dempsey, Joe Louis and Johnson

I do however greatly appreciate his skill set and how he's able to utilise it as a super heavy

I resent that accusation that I'm cherry picking. Your posts about the fella are overwhelmingly negative.