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    #46
    Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
    Because you're asking for the opinions of bike nerds and they (ok, we) never agree.

    Perhaps we can try to make it easier. Are you clear on what you want the bike for? If so, what is it?
    Okay. I guess I'd be riding off road (but generally well worn) paths, so not necessarily heavy terrain. I'd make trips to the local forest but again the path should be well worn, and ideally I'd take trips to somewhere like the South Downs which whilst hilly are not particularly rough (I believe as not been cycling there before ).

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      #47
      Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
      I just tried again - I can't open any of them.
      I don't know what else to do. I'm sorry

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        #48
        Originally posted by Reece View Post
        Okay. I guess I'd be riding off road (but generally well worn) paths, so not necessarily heavy terrain. I'd make trips to the local forest but again the path should be well worn, and ideally I'd take trips to somewhere like the South Downs which whilst hilly are not particularly rough (I believe as not been cycling there before ).
        Ok, one more quick question, just to clarify:

        If on road is defined as tarmac/paved and off road is mud or grass, what percentage on versus off road?
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        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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          #49
          Originally posted by Reece View Post
          I don't know what else to do. I'm sorry
          Neither do I.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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            #50
            Wait, forget that, tell me the model names and prices and I'll look them up myself.
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            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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              #51
              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
              Wait, forget that, tell me the model names and prices and I'll look them up myself.
              Thanks, Neil, you're the best!




              Trek 6000 D 2012 Mountain Bike - £675

              Specialized Rockhopper Comp 2012 Mountain Bike - £600

              Specialized Rockhopper Expert 2012 Mountain Bike - £800

              Jamis Durango Race 2012 Mountain Bike - £649.99

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                #52
                My thoughts:

                Specialized Rockhopper Comp: good discount so good value versus RRP.

                Specialized Rockhopper Expert: not sure it's worth £200 more than the other one.

                Trek: I like the look of the package but I'd be concerned about the extra weight versus the Comp.

                Jamis Durango: never heard of the brand but SRAM is probably better than Shimano (well, it is for road), as long as the groupsets are equivalent. It's odd the weight isn't mentioned - don't buy it without finding this out.

                I like the sound of remote lockout of the front forks. The Trek has this - check out the others do and, if they don't, what they offer instead. Locking out the front forks means you can override the suspension, making uphill on decent paths much more efficient and comfortable.
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                  #53
                  CAVEAT: I know quite a bit about road bikes but very little about MTBs.
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                  Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                    #54
                    Thanks Neil. My head hurts

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                      #55
                      If I had to choose, I'm most drawn towards the Trek.

                      But ask an MTB'er.

                      You didn't answer my question here: http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/show...3&postcount=48

                      Let me know and I might be able to help you get your head around what your cycler colleague said.
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                      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                        #56
                        Yeah I'm drawn towards the Trek too.

                        I've just compared the weight of the Trek and the Comp and there doesn't appear to be much difference at all.

                        The Trek is 30.58lbs for the 17.5 frame
                        The Comp is 29.3lbs for the 15 frame.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                          Ok, one more quick question, just to clarify:

                          If on road is defined as tarmac/paved and off road is mud or grass, what percentage on versus off road?
                          I'd say I'd only go on road as minimally as possible so far as to get to my off-road destination.

                          For example, right by my house I have cycle tracks (as in designated routes through woodland as opposed to bike lanes on the road). I would use these as much as possible to for example get to my Mum's, or to work. Only where I had to say cross a road or enter and exit a residential area would I use the roads/pavement.

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                            #58
                            Just not sure I like the colours on the Trek that much.....

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                              #59
                              I heard that 1kg equates to an extra 6W of effort for the same result (or something - I don't really know what that means).

                              F*ck it, get the Trek.

                              Actually, no, don't. Go and have a ride around on all of them and then let us know what you feel. And ask to have a go on a hybrid too, so you can get an idea of what your colleague was talking about.
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                              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Reece View Post
                                I'd say I'd only go on road as minimally as possible so far as to get to my off-road destination.

                                For example, right by my house I have cycle tracks (as in designated routes through woodland as opposed to bike lanes on the road). I would use these as much as possible to for example get to my Mum's, or to work. Only where I had to say cross a road or enter and exit a residential area would I use the roads/pavement.
                                In that case I wouldn't worry too much about the small wheel/fat tyre thing. But do what I said in the post above, so you have a point of reference.
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                                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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