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    A couple of decent Scotsman articles on the abuse of EJ.

    I used to be pally with an avid Celtic supporter.
We agreed that he would take me to an Old Firm game and, in return, I would treat him to a Murrayfield international. It was an eye opener, on both occasions. At the footy I nervously stood up exactly one second after everyone else, pretended to chant the same as everyone else, complete with out-of-sync gestures, and then sat down exactly one second after the rest of the stand. Other than that I can’t say much except that, after the game, one old codger inquired who had won as though the result was incidental. Maybe it was? When the action moved to Murrayfield we were in the south-east corner of the ground, surrounded by pretty much equal numbers of English and Scots supporters. At the first threat of an English try my buddy was out his seat and hurling four letter expletives at the referee, the English players and, er, their mothers. I dragged him back into his seat and tried to explain the niceties of rugby etiquette but not before he had silenced our entire section of the crowd, who could not have been more shocked had he arrived from Mars. It’s a cultural thing. What do Britain’s best sleepers do for a living? Could work be affecting your sleep? Recent research reveals the best and worst careers for getting a great night’s sleep. Sponsored by Carpetright That was almost 20 years ago and rugby has changed dramatically in the interim, not always for the better.

    So what to make of several Scots abusing England coach Eddie Jones? I wouldn’t normally go out on a limb in defence of Jones. The prickly little Australian dishes it out pretty well and so he should take the odd barb hurled in his direction. But Jones usually softens any below-the-belt blow with a mischievous grin and a cheeky sense of humour, as though he is fully aware that it is only a game. In short, he doesn’t take himself too seriously and, given the number of coaches who are determined to say absolutely nothing interesting let alone controversial, he is a gem for all journalists. Nor does he hurl abuse at anyone… other than his own players. There is a huge gulf dividing banter and abuse and several Scottish clowns abused Jones as a “baldy c**t” after the England coach opted to travel by rail from Edinburgh to Manchester the day after the Calcutta Cup match to catch up with Sir Alex Ferguson and watch United. He had even stopped to have a selfie taken with the morons.

    The subsequent headlines shot around the world and shamed all Scots, at home and abroad. I would like to think that Jones’ abusers don’t play the game themselves, very few who do would consider the England coach a valid target. And Jones is right to criticise others who contribute to the febrile atmosphere. He specified Gavin Hastings, who said that Scottish fans wanted to “rub his face in the dirt” and Scotland prop Simon Berghan who let slip that “everyone hates England”. Their comments add fuel to the fire and the latter could be classed as racist. Substitute “India” for “England” and see how you get on.

    England are one of the countries that everyone wants to beat because they have a huge pool of players and the riches of Solomon to fund them, but the days of England being automatically dubbed “arrogant” are long gone – or should be. Individuals may do themselves few favours but the England squad as a whole strike me as no better or worse than any other. Incidentally, David Sole and Will Carling are good mates, as are Finlay Calder and Brian Moore, which is how it should be. Any enmity is left on the field. Part of the problem is that rugby has morphed from a game that people play to a game that people watch. In the past almost the only people who watched rugby were those who played the game or had done so in the past. Now international games attract supporters who have never entered a clubhouse in their life and have never pulled on a pair of boots.

    If they had done they would know that the physicality of the game draws players together like gladiators of old or boxers. The game is simply too brutal not to have a healthy respect for your opponent, it’s a cultural thing, but those that have never played the game or been raised within rugby don’t begin to understand it. And rugby’s popularity success breeds its own problems. The higher the profile of the sport the more idiots it will attract until eventually Eddie Jones and his ilk will need a security detail before they show their face in public. It’s only a matter of time.
    The supposed Scotland fans who verbally abused and harassed England rugby coach Eddie Jones have brought shame on the country. Jones had agreed to pose with them for a photograph after arriving in Manchester by train and they rewarded his hospitable manner in a despicable way, swearing at and manhandling him to the extent that he has decided he will no longer travel on public transport.

    The Australian is an entertaining, forthright and sometimes controversial character, who can usually be relied upon for a bit of pre-match banter.

    But in the immediate aftermath of the game at Murrayfield, when England’s defeat would still have been sore, he was most gracious. The booing he received as he said Scotland “were too good for us” and “full marks to Scotland” was bad enough. Whether the people who harassed Jones were rugby fans is hard to tell, but the game needs to show its strong disapproval of their actions. Rugby fans have never been segregated because meeting people from other countries was seen more as a chance to make new friends than enemies. We must make sure that this attitude prevails.
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      looks like everyone in Scotland is fit again Buzzo, you must be fancying a win....?

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        Originally posted by Irishnev View Post
        looks like everyone in Scotland is fit again Buzzo, you must be fancying a win....?


        I’ve learnt my lessons after the Welsh game. Can we stop you lot sniffing a Slam? I don’t see it. Think we will run you close though.

        A few selection headaches though.

        Could see Richie Gray in for Gilchrist and maybe Dunbar for Horne, though that would be harsh on Peter Horne.
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          Strong side

          [ame="https://twitter.com/scotlandteam/status/971339757002387456"]https://twitter.com/scotlandteam/status/971339757002387456[/ame]

          Ireland team v Scotland: Rob Kearney; Keith Earls, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, Jacob Stockdale; Johnny Sexton, Conor Murray; Cian Healy, Rory Best (captain), Tadhg Furlong; James Ryan, Devin Toner; Peter O'Mahony, Dan Leavy, CJ Stander.

          Replacements: Seán Cronin, Jack McGrath, Andrew Porter, Iain Henderson, Jordi Murphy, Kieran Marmion, Joey Carbery, Jordan Larmour.
          Last edited by Irishnev; 08-03-18, 04:07 PM.

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            I was interested to see how many of the returning players got picked. None of them. Other than Fraser Brown on the bench. This team have been training together for over a month so it would have been strange to make reputational changes.

            Pete Horne deserves to keep his place next to Huw Jones. It will be interesting to see how young Blair Kinghorn goes on full debut with Tommy Seymour injured. He is a fantastic attacking fullback at Edinburgh, decent under the high ball and a big ****er also, but what a game to make debut in.

            It has also been interesting to read the stats on the Irish ball in play tactics.

            I'm looking forward to the game, and it will be interesting to see how we have adapted after our shocking opening performance away in Cardiff.
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              Ireland team v Scotland: Rob Kearney; Keith Earls, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, Jacob Stockdale; Johnny Sexton, Conor Murray; Cian Healy, Rory Best (captain), Tadhg Furlong; James Ryan, Devin Toner; Peter O'Mahony, Dan Leavy, CJ Stander.

              Replacements: Seán Cronin, Jack McGrath, Andrew Porter, Iain Henderson, Jordi Murphy, Kieran Marmion, Joey Carbery, Jordan Larmour

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                Thats a pretty strong Irish team.

                Should be a cracker of a game
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                  Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                  Thats a pretty strong Irish team.

                  Should be a cracker of a game
                  Last day skiing tomorrow and fly home tomorrow evening - Sat is a day of matches with this and the United game. Strong side but Kearney is past it for me and would have gone with Henderson over Toner (not a fan of his). If we make it a forward battle we'll win but if it is an open fast game you have a good shot. What makes me confident is how much our provincial sides beat yours in big games but seeing you vs England was v impressive. Will be close in the score line but I expect a high scoring game.

                  Good luck but not too much!

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                    Originally posted by Irishnev View Post
                    Last day skiing tomorrow and fly home tomorrow evening - Sat is a day of matches with this and the United game. Strong side but Kearney is past it for me and would have gone with Henderson over Toner (not a fan of his). If we make it a forward battle we'll win but if it is an open fast game you have a good shot. What makes me confident is how much our provincial sides beat yours in big games but seeing you vs England was v impressive. Will be close in the score line but I expect a high scoring game.

                    Good luck but not too much!
                    It will be interesting to see how the game is refereed. Much to the chagrin of some of the English, Owens really allowed for the game to flow 2 weeks ago. How the breakdown is policed will be key. How we deal with the high ball will be key. I think we have the edge in the backs, you lot slightly in the pack. Though our pack were awesome v the English and French. A huge amount of our potential depends on how Finn Russell plays. On his day he is almost unplayable.

                    Agree, wish you guys a little, but not a lot of luck. Here’s to a good open game.
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                      Owens let the game flow; I know you like to wear tartan specs but that’s one thing he did not.

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                        Originally posted by RichC View Post
                        Owens let the game flow; I know you like to wear tartan specs but that’s one thing he did not.
                        I dunno, I’ve watched it a few times (I suspect you’ve swerved it).. There are a few harsh pens to both sides first half, but the pen count was standard. You need to watch the first half again England really only upped their intensity in the last 10 mins, going through 15 plus phases a couple of times.

                        The big decisions on the non tries and the yellow for a no arms were all correct.
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                          Watched it a couple of times thanks

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                            Originally posted by RichC View Post
                            Watched it a couple of times thanks
                            Really? I don’t go near defeats post match in any sport as a supporter.

                            Cmon I’ve had you playfully rubbing my nose in it for years. We beat you fair and square. There was no dodgy reffing, all the English pundits of note seem to have accepted it.

                            You aren’t Nick Knowles are you?
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                              I disagree that he let the game flow for me he didn’t 20 pens given in the match & I don’t think he had his best game, however takes nothing away from the Scots they fully deserved the win regardless of Owens performance whether you think he had a good or bad game.

                              England were outplayed and out thought in the match, I said at the time the best team won and I stick by that.

                              I don’t however thing Owens let the game flow

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                                Originally posted by RichC View Post
                                I disagree that he let the game flow for me he didn’t 20 pens given in the match & I don’t think he had his best game, however takes nothing away from the Scots they fully deserved the win regardless of Owens performance whether you think he had a good or bad game.

                                England were outplayed and out thought in the match, I said at the time the best team won and I stick by that.

                                I don’t however thing Owens let the game flow


                                Fair enough. I suspect I can find little flaw with the game, but that’s how it looks when you win for sure any sport. I think Owens is a top ref,watch him in the Pro 14 a lot, and we don’t always get the decisions from him either, but he is fair.

                                How are you feeling about the challenge of the French? They were really, really sloppy against Italy. And they ran out of gas after 60 mins against us, we were pretty comfortable. If you lot play your normal game you’ll crucify them.
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