Crap Jokes

[Kenneth]

Del.

[Kenneth]

Also saying that its 2019 every one is offended by something is true, and has been for the last 1000 years. Its just that now people feel confident enough to speak up when something annoys them.

There is more to it than that. In our current world of over-sharing and the curation of identity online there is currency in being offended. At least being seen to be offended by the 'right' things by others. Social media makes people tend towards projecting what they think other people want them to project, to fit in and gain approval. Virtue signalling really is a thing.
When once disagreeing with something with a tut would have been psychologically sufficient, now we incentivise more extreme reactions that are more likely to break through the noise of millions of people fighting for attention. The meaning of offense has changed, people used to be annoyed by things that they now consider are offensive to them, and they expect people to offer them more consideration and respect when it's framed in that way. And why wouldn't they, it works?

[Kenneth]

Maybe those offended by her don't like being told what to do by a young,female foreigner?

Does anyone like being told what to do by a child? It's inevitable, when adults choose to push a child to the forefront to achieve their own PR goals, some people are going to react positively, and some negatively. From their perspective, she has an innocence and honestly that only children still possess, and on a topic like saving the planet, good Vs evil then such a pure message works for many people. Maybe it wouldn't work so well if a 16 year old was selected to tour the world with proposals for banking reform or such like. But such a stategy clearly isn't going to appeal to everyone and it's entirety understandable that some with push back against a strategy of a child preaching about how the world is in emotive language.

Obviously, people attacking her personality are horrible people. People promoting her and, essentially, exploiting a child, well although their hearts are likely in the right place, I find their actions hard to approve of.

[Alex]

There is more to it than that. In our current world of over-sharing and the curation of identity online there is currency in being offended. At least being seen to be offended by the 'right' things by others. Social media makes people tend towards projecting what they think other people want them to project, to fit in and gain approval. Virtue signalling really is a thing.
When once disagreeing with something would have been psychologically sufficient, now we incentivise more extreme reactions that are more likely to break through the noise of millions of people fighting for attention. The meaning of offense has changed, people used to be annoyed by things that they now consider are offensive to them, and they expect people to offer them more consideration and respect when it's framed in that way. And why wouldn't they, it works?

I think there is a danger(?) about confusing people on social media, with people in general. Most people I know, 90% are not on Twitter and probably 50% are no longer on facebook and even less use it.

So it to me is a very intense magnifying glass. People can speak up about it, so they do. Giving it more weight when others chime in too.

But think about your daily life, your normal interactions. How many times have you been told outside of social media "That offends me, you cant say that" Id guess it was significantly less than online?

[Kenneth]

I don't remember hearing that someone was offended in real life, it must be that long ago, it's not a widely used term. I agree that there is a big disparity. But here we are, on social media, trying to protect people and their online personas from being 'online offended'.

[5europeancups]

To me this isnt a free speech issue. Its an issue with the thread and the title of the thread emboldening people to post jokes on here, that probably on the rest of the forum they wouldn't say.

Currently im undecided, and it seems the community is pretty split (70/30ish) at the moment. The people that seem to love this thread, really love it.

Maybe a renaming of the thread would be a better way to tackle it. "Crap Jokes" or something? Bad taste to me implies that its almost free reign to post whatever you think is funny, ignoring the consequences and others who post on this community.

With regards to your question as to whats wrong with offending people. Id like to throw back at you this one. Why do you want to offend people?

I havent seen many posts that offend people to be honest. If i make a derogatory comment about Everton, am i offending someone’s uncle or Dad?
I think you are being a little sanctimonious and forgetting you are on a light hearted football site not a christian forum.

[dom9]

I havent seen many posts that offend people to be honest. If i make a derogatory comment about Everton, am i offending someone’s uncle or Dad?

I think you are being a little sanctimonious and forgetting you are on a light hearted football site not a christian forum.

I think you've missed the point

[sean_lfc]

You lot sound like my Polish missus. Leave the ****ing thread on here, Jesus. Every last post in the last couple of pages could have come out of her mouth. She's a diamond in many regards, but **** me, tell a joke she doesn't quite get and it's like I'VE invaded ****ing Poland! Bunch of miserable cunts on here. My dad's best mate is a hundreds of millions venture capitalist from Tooting. He travels the world and does **** all but 5star hotels, he's a shareholder at Spurs, and he does NOTHING but tell jokes all ****ing day in the broadest of Landan accents befitting of this thread. So what? Are we going to become all German? The Germans, and I'm born and bred in this pithole of a technocrat ****ing abyss, are the ****ing worst for "I'm so offended by a JOKE".

Actually, if we PC'd this joke thread, we could call it The German And Polish Funzone. That'd be great.

But yea, in the end, whatevs. This whole subforum is ****e anyway. Media has moved on. No one posts gifs (but thanks Red Polo for your 'once every two months' contribution). No one posts videos. Everything else is dead. So might as well just delete the whole ****ing subforum. Saves me hoping for an update post in the early hours, when everything else has been read. Amen.

[Patricks_Berger]

How about people who are offended by poor/bad taste jokes not open the thread called "Poor/Bad Taste Jokes"?

Although, that would of course deprive them of an opportunity to be "triggered" into "calling out" people for having the "problematic" opinions, which seems to be a favoured pastime for fascists in 2019.

[dom9]

How about people who are offended by poor/bad taste jokes not open the thread called "Poor/Bad Taste Jokes"?

Although, that would of course deprive them of an opportunity to be "triggered" into "calling out" people for having the "problematic" opinions, which seems to be a favoured pastime for fascists in 2019.

Are you seriously comparing people on here who reported a racist joke (not a million miles from the Origi banner at the match last night) to fascists?

[Patricks_Berger]

Are you seriously comparing people on here who reported a racist joke (not a million miles from the Origi banner at the match last night) to fascists?

no

I am comparing people who continuously seek to stand in judgment over others, who go on the internet and tell people what they are allowed to think and write, and who try to force their own values on to others to fascists.

If a joke is in breach of the forum rules or the law, that is a separate matter. I didn't see the offending joke in question, my point was a broader one.

[dom9]

no



I am comparing people who continuously seek to stand in judgment over others, who go on the internet and tell people what they are allowed to think and write, and who try to force their own values on to others to fascists.



If a joke is in breach of the forum rules or the law, that is a separate matter. I didn't see the offending joke in question, my point was a broader one.

We'll, it was that joke which provoked this particular episode of est naval gazing. At which point, legitimate questions were asked. Where do you draw the line? Do we even want to draw line? Is this thread a relic of the past? Has the world moved on? Have *we* moved on from this kind of thing?

I don't think anyone is telling anyone what they should and shouldn't post beyond being unless the content is racist, misogynistic, discriminatory or whatever. That goes without saying, right?

Some people have taken it that way though, it seems.

Personally I'm not bothered whether the thread stays or goes. It's hardly a body of comic genius. For the most part, it's pretty **** imo and losing it wouldn't be a loss to the site. It doesn't really add anything.

The most ironic part of all this was that hardly anyone posted in the thread until the naval gazing started. Now it's positively trending.

[fabinho]

Ill address this first. As I see it a lot, all over the place.

If people are offended, why are you so annoyed by it? Also saying that its 2019 every one is offended by something is true, and has been for the last 1000 years. Its just that now people feel confident enough to speak up when something annoys them.

Just like you are when its suggested that you cannot post the jokes you want. Why are YOU so offended by that notion? See, cuts both ways.





Both good posts here and I dont have much to add to them other than to appreciate the time to argue the case for this thread.

I think TBH Im leaning towards a renaming of this thread and a clearer guideline to what we expect to be acceptable here. (i.e nothing racist, homophobic etc) Those things are absolutely not acceptable on the rest of this site, so they shouldn't have an exception on this thread either.

But if there is more to be said, lets chat about it first.

I'm not entirely sure that's accurate. I think people are just far more likely to be offended these days, or to at least to act offended. Many of these are nothing more than pharisees, seeking the support of their online communities, chasing likes and hoping for retweets.

I loaded the BBC site this morning and read a short article about Paul Hollywood feeling the need to apologise because he'd tweeted a photo of some cakes with the tag "Diabetes on a plate". Cue offence. I'm sure those whose posts appeared on the BBC article were very happy. Mission accomplished.

There's a massive difference between being annoyed that a thread is deleted, as opposed to someone being offended by say a sexist joke. You choose to be offended by the joke posted in a "Bad Taste" joke thread, but you have no choice if you sit on the other side of the fence and the thread is removed in its entirety.

I think things are just moving too quickly. People of a certain age are supposed to be able to keep up, but the goal posts are constantly moving. Those of a certain age group are also less likely to be living their lives on social media, so have less exposure to the new set of rules. We've grown up through different times and developed thicker skin, yet we're supposed to be able to change at the flick of a switch, regardless of whether you believe that the offence is genuine or just virtue signalling.

[Patricks_Berger]

I'm not entirely sure that's accurate. I think people are just far more likely to be offended these days, or to at least to act offended. Many of these are nothing more than pharisees, seeking the support of their online communities, chasing likes and hoping for retweets.

I loaded the BBC site this morning and read a short article about Paul Hollywood feeling the need to apologise because he'd tweeted a photo of some cakes with the tag "Diabetes on a plate". Cue offence. I'm sure those whose posts appeared on the BBC article were very happy. Mission accomplished.

There's a massive difference between being annoyed that a thread is deleted, as opposed to someone being offended by say a sexist joke. You choose to be offended by the joke posted in a "Bad Taste" joke thread, but you have no choice if you sit on the other side of the fence and the thread is removed in its entirety.

I think things are just moving too quickly. People of a certain age are supposed to be able to keep up, but the goal posts are constantly moving. Those of a certain age group are also less likely to be living their lives on social media, so have less exposure to the new set of rules. We've grown up through different times and developed thicker skin, yet we're supposed to be able to change at the flick of a switch, regardless of whether you believe that the offence is genuine or just virtue signalling.

The internet, but particularly social media, has turned people into ******s.

[baitman]

The internet, but particularly social media, has turned people into ******s.

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