VAR thread - Page 24

Buzzo · 22-02-21, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

The interaction and harmony between the ref and the video ref in rugby is something football could and should learn from.
It’s so well done and as a fan you get the decision even if in some cases you don’t agree with it (usually reds for dangerous play). All explained and crystal clear.
The draconian shit we see from the PL is horrendous, get it wrong they double down on what they’ve done any halfwitted pundits dragged out to defend their decisions.

Var should be a step forwards but somehow they’ve managed to make things so much worse

It is definitely one of the most circular debates of all time.

I wonder if football is so arrogant that it does not realise that football fans also watch other sports that use the same tech. It is certainly not a debate I have ever heard. Bringing in an ex RU ref, say Nigel Owens to talk about implementation would surely enlighten the conversation about where VAR is going wrong and how it could be better. Nobody seems to be taking ownership of that discussion within football and the PL.

The fact is, it is all so mysterious. Zero transparency, zero culpability. It is a movable feast of rules and decisions and the fact that they have changed so much within a season almost devalues the whole product. We have seen some absolute shockers this season, howlers that were supposed to be eradicated. That Sheff Utd one for example is ridiculous.

And this one is about as bad as it gets. Offside for pointing to where he wants the ball. Backing the tech as opposed to the game.

Exiled_red · 22-02-21, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

It is definitely one of the most circular debates of all time.

I wonder if football is so arrogant that it does not realise that football fans also watch other sports that use the same tech. It is certainly not a debate I have ever heard. Bringing in an ex RU ref, say Nigel Owens to talk about implementation would surely enlighten the conversation about where VAR is going wrong and how it could be better. Nobody seems to be taking ownership of that discussion within football and the PL.

The fact is, it is all so mysterious. Zero transparency, zero culpability. It is a movable feast of rules and decisions and the fact that they have changed so much within a season almost devalues the whole product. We have seen some absolute shockers this season, howlers that were supposed to be eradicated. That Sheff Utd one for example is ridiculous.

And this one is about as bad as it gets. Offside for pointing to where he wants the ball. Backing the tech as opposed to the game.

I honestly think that there is something in the lack of awareness of other sports. I think that football and the FA/PL think that their sport is superior to everything else and by extension everything that they do is right or cannot be questioned. To me there is certainly an arrogance that the system is perfect and as such nothing needs to be explained because as they see it the process is perfect and the system is absolute (which clearly it isn't).

One thing that pisses me off about the FA in particular is they give the impression that they consider themselves above any other FA or ruling body, it feels to me almost imperialistic.

RichC · 22-02-21, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Exiled_red

I honestly think that there is something in the lack of awareness of other sports. I think that football and the FA/PL think that their sport is superior to everything else and by extension everything that they do is right or cannot be questioned. To me there is certainly an arrogance that the system is perfect and as such nothing needs to be explained because as they see it the process is perfect and the system is absolute (which clearly it isn't).

One thing that pisses me off about the FA in particular is they give the impression that they consider themselves above any other FA or ruling body, it feels to me almost imperialistic.

You wonder why England time and again loses the rights to host big international tournaments here. I'd say a large part of it is our representitives in the FA (and mass corruption)

Exiled_red · 22-02-21, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You wonder why England time and again loses the rights to host big international tournaments here. I'd say a large part of it is our representitives in the FA (and mass corruption)

I imagine that kind of attitude doesn't win you many friends, and as these things are essentially popularity contests it's unsurprising that they don't win any of these bids

McDermotX · 23-02-21, 07:38 PM

VAR interjects in the Leeds Southampton game.

Ref (Mariner) goes to the monitor and correctly changes his mind with regard to a pen decision he awarded.
Spent a decent amount of time looking at it. Forward looking for the foul etc......like the vast majority of pens awarded nowadays.

I'm baffled at the inconsistency.

S-RED · 23-02-21, 08:20 PM

The problem with consistency is that if that had been a Rashford or a Kane he would not have changed the decision; in fact VAR probably would not have intervened

Buzzo · 23-02-21, 09:51 PM

The other thing they could do to ensure the amount of time taken isn’t such an issue is stop the bloody clock???

Watching the clock tick on whilst it all plays on is also ridiculous.

Pablo · 24-02-21, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by McDermotX

VAR interjects in the Leeds Southampton game.

Ref (Mariner) goes to the monitor and correctly changes his mind with regard to a pen decision he awarded.
Spent a decent amount of time looking at it. Forward looking for the foul etc......like the vast majority of pens awarded nowadays.

I'm baffled at the inconsistency.

I heard that in our game he was checking if it was a red for Trent? They didn't even think it was worth a check if was actually a penalty. They were that sure about it. Not sure how true it is, but it's just as bad either way.

Exiled_red · 24-02-21, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I heard that in our game he was checking if it was a red for Trent? They didn't even think it was worth a check if was actually a penalty. They were that sure about it. Not sure how true it is, but it's just as bad either way.

This is where people need to be told what they are checking and giving an explanation for the decisions, because it's now days later and people still don't know what the hell was going on

Irishnev · 28-02-21, 04:56 PM

Norbs · 28-02-21, 05:42 PM

Until we've seen it frame by frame and from 74 angles we can't be sure

Irishnev · 28-02-21, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Norbs

Until we've seen it frame by frame and from 74 angles we can't be sure

They only seem to do that for us and manipulate it to suit the desired outcome

Kenneth · 01-03-21, 01:48 PM

Had one last night, Sheffield player clearly offside, ball is cleared by our defender and the result was a corner. Presumably the linesman didn't flag in accordance we ith the new VAR rules, but because the ball want put in the net, it wasn't called as offside/reviewed. Seen it loads all season.

I think it's a better system than the flag going up and expecting everyone to play on regardless, but it seems that linesman are concentrating less on offside calls, or don't have a reliable way of letting the ref know without the flag in real-time, and the corner is given by the ref before they can intervene.

Norbs · 01-03-21, 02:12 PM

Are corners considered a goal scoring opportunity? If they are then at that stage a goal kick should be rewarded

Kenneth · 01-03-21, 02:59 PM

VAR doesn't go back to the awarding of corners or freekicks if there is a review of a goal scored from them.

Shaggy · Yesterday, 10:07 AM

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Fucking chances, goals

Alex · Yesterday, 10:25 AM

I hate it and its killing football.

Exiled_red · Yesterday, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I hate it and its killing football.

I thought the odd poor decision a few years ago was frustrating. VAR in it's attempt to improve things has made it 100 times worse, there are shit decisions every game that have been reviewed by VAR and often by the ref on the pitch side monitor using slow mo, multiple angles and take 2 or 3 mins to reach and are still fucking wrong.

Consistency has gone to shit too same incident one week is a pen or an offside the next week it isn't

An official just getting the decision wrong because he only saw it once from a single angle in real time is the dream at the moment, we could understand why he got it wrong and move on.

Harv · Yesterday, 10:53 AM

Yep, VAR + no fans and football is just joyless.

Those handball/non handball decisions from last nights games are a joke.

The Fulham player had his arm hard up against his body and the ball was leather at him from half a meter away FFS! He had no chance of doing anything other than what he did.

Conversely ours, the Chav had his arms up in the fucking air and blocked a cross!! Since when has that not been a pen?!?

Even the Chav offside goal was a joke. You cant give that offside, how many goals have you ever seen scored by someones elbow?

Kenneth · Yesterday, 11:27 AM

The Fulham one shows just how stupid the current rules are around contact with the arm when a goal is scored. There is zero reason why they have brought in that specific rule, it's illogical and stupid.

Bender · Yesterday, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth

The Fulham one shows just how stupid the current rules are around contact with the arm when a goal is scored. There is zero reason why they have brought in that specific rule, it's illogical and stupid.

Indeed that was laughable... All the players and managers now shout is var var ... just get rid of it.

Exiled_red · Yesterday, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth

The Fulham one shows just how stupid the current rules are around contact with the arm when a goal is scored. There is zero reason why they have brought in that specific rule, it's illogical and stupid.

Fredo · Yesterday, 04:53 PM

Still rather have VAR than conceding a goal in a tight game via a one eyed assistant referee with no way of reversing the decision. They'll eventually sort it out.

Alex · Yesterday, 05:32 PM

I dont think VAR has added anything to the game.

What's the benefit bar the odd marginal call? If anything people kick off about VAR as much, its just shifted the anger to a different place. When the focus should probably be on supporting the Refs to do their job better, shouldn't it?

chadrtc · Yesterday, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I dont think VAR has added anything to the game.

What's the benefit bar the odd marginal call? If anything people kick off about VAR as much, its just shifted the anger to a different place. When the focus should probably be on supporting the Refs to do their job better, shouldn't it?

I was really looking forward to it being introduced as I expected it to bring about consistency, but it's completely farcical now. No two games are refereed in the same way - the dreaded purple screen now just feels more like a lottery. I can't remember the last time I watched a game where there wasn't a VAR issue one way or another.

The lack of crowds have made time wasting in games the norm as well. I don't recall seeing a single booking for time wasting since the crowds went away, but it's there in almost every match. 60 second setups for every goal kick and loads of throw ins.

Football is bad enough due to our results of late, but even when we were top at Xmas, the season was already a terrible watch. I can't see myself wanting to watch games live for much longer if the game continues down this route. The mad thing is - I don't feel any of this in European games. The issues seem to be squarely based around the Premier League's interpretation of the technology.

Maxiedge · Yesterday, 07:00 PM

They've changed the handball law again today which means the Fulham goal would have stood yesterday. Complete farce

S-RED · Yesterday, 10:04 PM

Yes but not until after 1st July... apparently

Jaco_Pastorious · Today, 12:43 PM

Yep the new rule kicks in from July.

Means from July 2020 to July 2021 there will have been three different handball rules in play.

The one that started this season, the one that came in whilst this season was in play, and the one coming in July which is actually close to the one that started this season.

The Fulham goal would have stood with the rule that started the season and with the rule that starts next July.

ChesterDave · Today, 01:02 PM

Does that not mean the rule changes mid Euros?