Capello to be sacked

[Neil Young]

I think they made the right decision. Whether it was for the right reasons who knows.

Why?

[dww]

Why?

1/ He seemed not to have the faith of the big players at the club.
2/ Reports early in the season suggested that he had much less control over the camp than he had in his first season. He has always been a coach who built his teams on discipline and in the long term I think he would have struggled.
3/ He is not a club builder. After years of turmoil he was a good stop gap in that he returned the team to playing as a team and having a defence. Long term I think you need someone who is willing to work at building that mentality from the lower levels up. Cappello has always seemed to be about the first team only at all of his clubs.
4/ An unpopular manager will always be vulnerable, it's not as if Real will have difficulty getting a top manager. Therefore I would rather bring in a popular (aswell as good) manager as part of a long term startegy - hoping to make it last for a number of seasons.
5/ I can't help feeling that this time Capello was lucky to win the league. He has an exceptional record, however whenever I saw Real this season they looked rubbish. Obviously not Watford rubbish but they always seemed to struggle to a win or draw. I think Barca threw away the title rather than Real winning it because they were exceptionally good. I think continuing in the same style they would have not kept being successful.
6/ His treatment of Beckham was shocking and frankly daft. He is obviously a very good player who could at the very least do a job in the squad, he did noting wrong as Real were refusing him a new contract - why kick him out of the team. I don't think that way of treating players is sustainable.

Obviously it is possible that I have the wrong impression of things around Real and I certainly have no idea of the players genuine opinions. For all I know Capello might have had a genius plan for the future - I just don't think so.

I think the reason Real got rid of him was about style and branding though. Which I think is probably an equally unsustainable basis for sucess.

[Guest]

The Madrid director talked about Capello 'setting the base' for them and that they were now moving on a more subtle style. They're FC Hollywood really for me.

[AFII]

I think Capello is one of the best club builders in the world. He always give a few youngsters a chance in the first team. Look at this season for Real. He didn't sign only old star players, he bought players like Higuain and Gago. He also gave Torres a chance in the league.

[Neil Young]

1/ He seemed not to have the faith of the big players at the club.
2/ Reports early in the season suggested that he had much less control over the camp than he had in his first season. He has always been a coach who built his teams on discipline and in the long term I think he would have struggled.
3/ He is not a club builder. After years of turmoil he was a good stop gap in that he returned the team to playing as a team and having a defence. Long term I think you need someone who is willing to work at building that mentality from the lower levels up. Cappello has always seemed to be about the first team only at all of his clubs.
4/ An unpopular manager will always be vulnerable, it's not as if Real will have difficulty getting a top manager. Therefore I would rather bring in a popular (aswell as good) manager as part of a long term startegy - hoping to make it last for a number of seasons.
5/ I can't help feeling that this time Capello was lucky to win the league. He has an exceptional record, however whenever I saw Real this season they looked rubbish. Obviously not Watford rubbish but they always seemed to struggle to a win or draw. I think Barca threw away the title rather than Real winning it because they were exceptionally good. I think continuing in the same style they would have not kept being successful.
6/ His treatment of Beckham was shocking and frankly daft. He is obviously a very good player who could at the very least do a job in the squad, he did noting wrong as Real were refusing him a new contract - why kick him out of the team. I don't think that way of treating players is sustainable.

Obviously it is possible that I have the wrong impression of things around Real and I certainly have no idea of the players genuine opinions. For all I know Capello might have had a genius plan for the future - I just don't think so.

I think the reason Real got rid of him was about style and branding though. Which I think is probably an equally unsustainable basis for sucess.

Interesting perspective. I agree with most of your points but I still don't think they should have sacked him for two reasons:

1. It rather confirms "player power".
2. As Keynes said, in the long-run we are all dead.

I thought Real were very impressive in the second half of the season - their 'mentality' was really strong. It was clear they were going to win it with a few games to go. It was like when we used to win games in the last ten minutes - they just had an aura that they would find whatever was necessary. It doesn't always involve playing the most attractive football but that's the point really - do you want results or does the style matter (within reason)?

I doubt anything will really change long-term at Real Madrid - the election system means it's about placating the voters in the short-term.

[dww]

I think Capello is one of the best club builders in the world. He always give a few youngsters a chance in the first team. Look at this season for Real. He didn't sign only old star players, he bought players like Higuain and Gago. He also gave Torres a chance in the league.

He is good at the first team development but I was speaking more broadly about the development of players and a club ethos, i.e. the sort of thing Rafa is doing with us.

I guess it might be the best compromise to get Capello to bring in someone to do this alongside/beneath him.

[JPK]

It was a poor title this year in Spain.Real were desperate and still won it.They won alot of the games late in the run in and mainly had to come from behind and Capello had to "give in" and take off the likes of Emerson and Diarra and bring on creative players who know how to create and entertain the fans.His teams play dull football and win leagues the ugly way.He has been rubbish in Europe with Juve and Roma in the last few years.With the players and money he has had over the years, his teams in the end were dull.
He can win what he likes,but i'm not a fan!!

[kemm1]

Del Bosque wins the League playing flashy football they sack him

Capello wins the League winning by grinding out results they sack him

So why on earth would ANY non-Madrista want these ****ers to win anything EVER?

[Neil Young]

It was a poor title this year in Spain.Real were desperate and still won it.They won alot of the games late in the run in and mainly had to come from behind and Capello had to "give in" and take off the likes of Emerson and Diarra and bring on creative players who know how to create and entertain the fans.His teams play dull football and win leagues the ugly way.He has been rubbish in Europe with Juve and Roma in the last few years.With the players and money he has had over the years, his teams in the end were dull.
He can win what he likes,but i'm not a fan!!

We know.

I think we should have Capello threads every day just so you'll post and we can get distracted by your avatar.

Anyway, the "poor title" comment seems misplaced - the Spanish title race was a lot more exciting than the English one.

[Red Chilli]

How can any young aspiring manager really want to go there?

Sacked if you lose, sacked if you win. What do they really want?
I'd be amazed if Rafa wanted to take over there.

[Sir Bob]

Capello being sacked is an absolute joke. He's the best club manager in the world bar none and they sacked him despite wining the league. Lets face it, he was sacked because they don't play 'sexy' football like Barca supposedly do.

Its good news for LFC though. It reinforces the fact Rafa would be mad to go there. He'd get 1 season at most. Lets face it, Rafa's a great manager but he's hardly known for his adventurous attacking play is he?

[JPK]

We know.

I think we should have Capello threads every day just so you'll post and we can get distracted by your avatar.

Anyway, the "poor title" comment seems misplaced - the Spanish title race was a lot more exciting than the English one.

When I hear that name it sets me off
Great record he has though.You cant take that away from him

[Diego]

I think Capello is one of the best club builders in the world. He always give a few youngsters a chance in the first team. Look at this season for Real. He didn't sign only old star players, he bought players like Higuain and Gago. He also gave Torres a chance in the league.

i doubt he had any say in that. madrid often sign players with out it's managers involved, cannavaro and maybe diarra where brought in by him, i doubt he had a say in bringing the other two in.

[dww]

Interesting perspective. I agree with most of your points but I still don't think they should have sacked him for two reasons:

1. It rather confirms "player power".
2. As Keynes said, in the long-run we are all dead.

I thought Real were very impressive in the second half of the season - their 'mentality' was really strong. It was clear they were going to win it with a few games to go. It was like when we used to win games in the last ten minutes - they just had an aura that they would find whatever was necessary. It doesn't always involve playing the most attractive football but that's the point really - do you want results or does the style matter (within reason)?

I doubt anything will really change long-term at Real Madrid - the election system means it's about placating the voters in the short-term.

Your last point is undoubtedly true and pretty much why I said they did it for the wrong reasons.

The question about whether the players or manager created the momentum/aura will always be unanswerable to us I suspect. I can't get away from the feelin though that a large part of it was that Barca lost and drew when Real expected them not to - giving Real the impression they were 'fated' to win.

The thing about point 2 is though that maybe the people who support and control the club want to be entertained and this is their aim. I think in some ways it is odd that a lot of people will criticism Ged for his brand of football even if we won more playing it than Evans more attractive football yet get upset when Real want to see some artistry.

I will admit that I can enjoy the tactical elements of a lot of otherwise dull games but I suspect I'm not in the majority. Football is on most levels just entertainment, why not want to see the most beautiful games?

Real have historically won everything and have always been challenging even if in the last few years they have fallen short.

What is wrong with sacrificing glory for entertainment on some level?

[Neil Young]

You're talking to the wrong man about criticising Houllier for winning. I got increasingly frustrated with Evans' teams.

Of course, it's not either/or and it's a balance between glory and entertainment. I think it would have been better to give Capello time to build on his success and try to inject more entertainment in the way the team played. I don't entirely buy this stuff that good managers can't adapt their approach.

In short, the Holy Grail is to win by playing entertaining football. Succeeding at one of those really gives you the right to try to get the other too.

Fact is I'm not a fan of flashy football unless there's an end product.