Tottenham Hotspur

[Chazza]

Interesting that the majority of players that have been shipped out are English:-

Huddlestone
Caulker
Livermore
Bentley
Parker
Dempsey
Gallas

[Rowan]

The thing is that if we assume that Albertos wages, signing on fee and agents fees were a fraction of those of Lamela (which I think seems reasonable given the transfer fee and reputations of the players) then the equation is far less obvious. A good example of how those factors can have a big impact on the worth of a transfer would be Aquilani.

There are a lot of issues that don't directly relate to the size if the fee the club receives. I've read that on Aquilani the fee we received was generally comparable to what it cost us to pay him off so if the likes of Lamala (on his 6 year deal) is a massive failure then the transfer fee would need to be sufficient to cover the outgoing costs as well as demonstrate market value. It stands to reason that those cost would be greater than with Luis Alberto.

So in judging value you'd have to look at transfer fee received minus fee paid + agents fees + signing on fees + contract to date + amount to pay up contract + tax as a minimum. I suppose you'd need to factor in funding generated through image and sponsorship but for a failing player you would expect that revenue to reduce over time.

We need an accountant to draw us up a ledger to work this one out.

[Neil Young]

This is a good example of how an answer should look like. Instead of moaning, follow this example.

A very good post discussing the topic instead of discussing me or any other poster.

The wages and signing on fee and greedy agents of course also counts.

But all that is f*cking obvious. These are issues you're aware of and you've spoken of elsewhere. So why don't you think things through before posting such utter bilge?

I've responded with counterarguments plenty of times and usually you just ignore what's said.

And I'm not here to do your thinking for you. Dww might think it's worth his while but that's up to him.

[Tee]

One thing Spurs really lack IMO is a real leader on the pitch. Solid squad and team but no stand out leader like they had before in Gallas or Parker.

[Alex]

Think Vertonghen could be that leader. Maybe Dembele.

[Chazza]

Sandro

[Tee]

Think Vertonghen could be that leader. Maybe Dembele.

Don't see it at all in either of them tbh. We'll see I suppose.

[dww]

There are a lot of issues that don't directly relate to the size if the fee the club receives. I've read that on Aquilani the fee we received was generally comparable to what it cost us to pay him off so if the likes of Lamala (on his 6 year deal) is a massive failure then the transfer fee would need to be sufficient to cover the outgoing costs as well as demonstrate market value. It stands to reason that those cost would be greater than with Luis Alberto.

So in judging value you'd have to look at transfer fee received minus fee paid + agents fees + signing on fees + contract to date + amount to pay up contract + tax as a minimum. I suppose you'd need to factor in funding generated through image and sponsorship but for a failing player you would expect that revenue to reduce over time.

We need an accountant to draw us up a ledger to work this one out.

In general I find it quite depressing that we spend so much time discussing the finances of such things. To me the fact that it is obvious that FSG are not running us into the ground is all that is really important on that front.

Much more interesting is how our squad is developing and the same with regards to rivals like Spurs. In that regard I think both clubs have had decent summers on their own terms. Spurs have been building for a couple of seasons we started our rebuilding last year. Both teams look to have squads that suit their managers now. Spurs investment this year seems to have pushed them ahead. We seem to be on the verge of having a great generation of young players come through. Exciting times all round.

[Alex]

I've often said about how little I care about the money side of things when it comes to football.

As long as the club isn't about to go bust and seems fairly healthy then they can do as they please.

All I think we should be concerned about is the progress on the pitch. Which is all any fan cares about really.

Too bring it back to Spurs, the few fans I have spoken too are almost delirious with happiness at the players they have gotten in this year. Too the point I think where losing Bale doesnt even really register with them. So I think Levy and his team have done good work.

If they bed in or not is a different matter altogether.

[Arn]

But all that is f*cking obvious. These are issues you're aware of and you've spoken of elsewhere. So why don't you think things through before posting such utter bilge?

I've responded with counterarguments plenty of times and usually you just ignore what's said.

And I'm not here to do your thinking for you. Dww might think it's worth his while but that's up to him.

I have been told not to answer every time someone quote my posts. That is why I don't give an answer sometimes. The broken record and all that.

Posters moan when I answer and posters moan when they don't get an answer.

instead of moaning just discuss the topic. Less heated arguments.

[Neil Young]

Don't keep telling me what to do. Just don't.

Instead of blaming others, you could learn how to engage and better construct an argument.

Then again, the evidence suggests maybe you couldn't.

[-V-]

Baldini has nothing to with anything. Its money that talks, AS Roma bit spurs' hand off when they offered £30m. And why wouldn't they, if spurs go around overpaying for players then ofcourse they will get them regardless of who is in charge of negotiating.

Spurs- "How much do you want for Lamela"
Roma- "How about £20m"
Spurs- "We'll give you £30m!!!"

[Arn]

Baldini has nothing to with anything. Its money that talks, AS Roma bit spurs' hand off when they offered £30m. And why wouldn't they, if spurs go around overpaying for players then ofcourse they will get them regardless of who is in charge of negotiating.

Spurs- "How much do you want for Lamela"
Roma- "How about £20m"
Spurs- "We'll give you £30m!!!"

That is your opinion.

IMO a man that have contacts all over the world and is very respected make a difference. The clubs that do business with him know that they can trust him. They know that he is fair and isn't a snake.

Of course he isn't the whole answer but he is a part of it.

Why do you think that Spurs signed him up in the first place? Do you think they signed him up for fun or what?

[Rowan]

That is your opinion.

IMO a man that have contacts all over the world and is very respected make a difference. The clubs that do business with him know that they can trust him. They know that he is fair and isn't a snake.

Of course he isn't the whole answer but he is a part of it.

Why do you think that Spurs signed him up in the first place? Do you think they signed him up for fun or what?

That's your opinion. In my opinion a club with perceived significant financial difficulties probably found that the sheer amount of money on offer was worth more than the benefit that the player brought to the team. In that respect the offer that was made was probably too good to turn down and they would have taken that amount regardless who the bidder was.

Why do you think Spurs bid such a large amount of money? For fun?

[Arn]

That's your opinion. In my opinion a club with perceived significant financial difficulties probably found that the sheer amount of money on offer was worth more than the benefit that the player brought to the team. In that respect the offer that was made was probably too good to turn down and they would have taken that amount regardless who the bidder was.

Why do you think Spurs bid such a large amount of money? For fun?

No. I think they bid that much money to get the deal done quickly before someone else made a bigger bid. Top class clubs that play in the CL have been interested in signing him, so they didn't want to gamble on that happening.

why do you think Lamela was prepared to accept a move to Spurs, a club that don't play in the CL?