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    #31
    Originally posted by BFG View Post
    A big part of being a goalkeeper is that you do things to prevent shots at goal though and VDS is quite good at those things. Carson may make loads of saves but is his positioning, organisational skill or composure anywhere close to Van Der Saars?

    Reina is better all round though.
    Yes, but during that run he made a measly three saves in a game - hardly tested. He is better than Carson in his positioning, organisation but my point is, is that he was hardly tested due to the solidity in the defence and as I have pointed out in the previous post, they deserve the accolades rather than Van Der Sar as when push comes to shove, or ball comes lofted in the area, he simply can't handle it.

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      #32
      ...and he looks like Wurzel Gummidge.
      3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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        #33
        The general consensus on Redcafe is that the voting will be split between the United players hence give Gerrard the award which I personally think he duly deserves for his consistency. A lot of them seem to also think that Van Der Sar, Ronaldo, Giggs and Ferdinand should not be in there.

        Side note: Giggs has started the same amount of games as Torres.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Joe King View Post
          Yes, but during that run he made a measly three saves in a game - hardly tested. He is better than Carson in his positioning, organisation but my point is, is that he was hardly tested due to the solidity in the defence and as I have pointed out in the previous post, they deserve the accolades rather than Van Der Sar as when push comes to shove, or ball comes lofted in the area, he simply can't handle it.
          Van Der Sar is part of that defence though, he sees the whole picture in front of him so organises the defenders to be a solid, cohesive unit. The fact that he makes so few saves goes to show how well they work together to minimise shots on goal. The success of a defence is very much because of every member of it (and the midfield and forwards really) and not in spite of vital areas of it.
          "My commitment to Liverpool is 100 per cent. I would die for that Liverpool shirt. I think the club loves me and I feel the same, no matter what the situation." - Pepe Reina, Nov '09.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Joe King View Post
            The general consensus on Redcafe is that the voting will be split between the United players hence give Gerrard the award which I personally think he duly deserves for his consistency. A lot of them seem to also think that Van Der Sar, Ronaldo, Giggs and Ferdinand should not be in there.

            Side note: Giggs has started the same amount of games as Torres.
            ...and he looks like a monkey with a perm.
            3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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              #36
              Originally posted by BFG View Post
              Van Der Sar is part of that defence though, he sees the whole picture in front of him so organises the defenders to be a solid, cohesive unit. The fact that he makes so few saves goes to show how well they work together to minimise shots on goal. The success of a defence is very much because of every member of it (and the midfield and forwards really) and not in spite of vital areas of it.
              Of course Van Der Sar is part of the defence however is as key as Ferdinand or Vidic? Would the United defence be weaker if Van Der Sar was sidelined or dropped? Personally think Van Der Sar is vastly over-rated, the nominations clearly reflect that. No way, is he the best keeper in the Premiership.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Joe King View Post
                Of course Van Der Sar is part of the defence however is as key as Ferdinand or Vidic? Would the United defence be weaker if Van Der Sar was sidelined or dropped? Personally think Van Der Sar is vastly over-rated, the nominations clearly reflect that. No way, is he the best keeper in the Premiership.

                They look a differnet prospect with Ku...Ku...that Polish (??) keeper in goal, or even the "highly" rated Foster, so i'm guessing VDS is doing something right.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Joe King View Post
                  Of course Van Der Sar is part of the defence however is as key as Ferdinand or Vidic? Would the United defence be weaker if Van Der Sar was sidelined or dropped? Personally think Van Der Sar is vastly over-rated, the nominations clearly reflect that. No way, is he the best keeper in the Premiership.
                  I agree with you there but I think his contribution to their defense is as valuable as anyone elses and yes they would be a lot weaker if he was dropped. His concentration and organisation is excellent. If it wasn't they wouldn't have got so many clean sheets on the bounce.
                  "My commitment to Liverpool is 100 per cent. I would die for that Liverpool shirt. I think the club loves me and I feel the same, no matter what the situation." - Pepe Reina, Nov '09.

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                    #39
                    Part of a unit tho. Like Kuyt.
                    3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Scratch View Post
                      They look a differnet prospect with Ku...Ku...that Polish (??) keeper in goal, or even the "highly" rated Foster, so i'm guessing VDS is doing something right.
                      Pig is awful. Never even rated him at WBA. Foster is extremely inexperienced and quite rash with his decision making. I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie, given the right money, would sell Foster.

                      Originally posted by BFG View Post
                      I agree with you there but I think his contribution to their defense is as valuable as anyone elses and yes they would be a lot weaker if he was dropped. His concentration and organisation is excellent. If it wasn't they wouldn't have got so many clean sheets on the bounce.
                      Debatable. His communication skills lack and more often than not do you see Ferdinand give Van Der Sar a rollicking for not talking. He is a good shot-stopper but by far doesn't deserve this sort of accolade.

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                        #41
                        My list of 6 would have been:

                        Alonso
                        Gerrard
                        Jagielka
                        Lampard
                        Ronaldo
                        Vidic


                        Agbnolahor
                        Evans
                        Ireland
                        Nasri
                        Song
                        A. Young

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                          #42
                          Honourable mentions for Anelka, Arbeloa, Hangeland and a few others who i cant remember now.

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                            #43
                            My 6 for the main award would have been:

                            Gerrard
                            Barry
                            Alonso
                            Hangelaand
                            Vidic
                            Ronaldo
                            "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                              #44
                              Ronaldo?? Really?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Scratch View Post
                                Ronaldo?? Really?
                                Say what you will but the little **** is still 2nd top scorer in the league and one of the best matchwinners out there.

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