Other games - 15/16 December 2009

[Kenneth]

I see no problem with this, and there is nothing that the FA can do either...when clubs had problems with swine flu, and when Spurs had that food poisoning incident the other season, the clubs were told by the FA that they had a squad to pick from....every season teams register their first team squads, so they can pick any players they want from that squad and still be picking a "full strength" side.

Sure, but he's publically stated that he was holding back for the weekend. The are trying harder against one team than another.

[Reece]

To be fair he's been getting a lot of stick on the radio all morning, particularly from his own fans.

[PTP]

Nothing much, which is exactly the point I made before. It's a moot point from the fans behalf as Liverpool aren't even in the title race.

bizarre - it's got **** all to do with us.

It is though, a ****ing disgrace in my opinion - i was gobsmacked when i heard about this. - I totally understand that managers will rotate squads, rest important players before a big game etc - but that is ****ing shocking, too drop all 10 outfield players after winning against spurs.

Benitez gets slaughtered if he dares to rest players in league games at the end of season - but he has never made 10 changes!!!!

How will wolves react if say, last day of season it's between them and Burnley for the drop - and burnley are home to Arsenal who have a big champions league game so Wenger drops everyone and Burnley win.

Or another way - obv Lord Ferguson is laughing at mo - but could you imagine his reaction should it be last game of season and it's between the Mancs and Chelsea and a team with nothing to play for play all their reserves away to Chelsea and get beat. There would be ****ing up roar.

Mick McArthy/Wolves should be ****ing slaughtered for it,

[Scratch]

If a player is good enough to warrant a shirt number, then he is a first team player. It's then up to the manager what players he puts out, out of that squad.

If Rafa did it, he'd get slaughtered if they lost. So would most managers (except Ferguson, who it would appear still holds sway over most journalists). Doesn't mean it's not allowed tho.

[PTP]

If a player is good enough to warrant a shirt number, then he is a first team player. It's then up to the manager what players he puts out, out of that squad.

If Rafa did it, he'd get slaughtered if they lost. So would most managers (except Ferguson, who it would appear still holds sway over most journalists). Doesn't mean it's not allowed tho.

well we can argue about the 'laws' of the game. Imo it's not relevant. Surely, in any sport, anyone competing has to do their best to win - be it a team game or indvidual, morally/for the good of the sport, you have to give yourself the best chance.

If they had rested four or five key players - hmm ok you can argue over rotation, resting players etc - but to make a complete overhaul like this, imo is disgraceful - first of all it's robbing your own fans, it's admitting defeat, it's allowing another team to have an easy win - and as already pointed out - what kinda reaction does that have to a dressing room. Firstly the players who have been dropped will be puzzled/frustrated, secondly the players come in, how the **** do they feel - "oh well the boss has wrote this game off as a loss so he has drafted in the rejects, **** it i can't be arsed" - what kinda of team talk does mcarthy give - listen lads - those who played and beat spurs at the weekend, none of you are good enough to beat united so you are being rested till the weekend when we play a team you can compete against. - those who are playing tonight, you not good enough to be considered for the next game cause we want to try and win it - so go out there, enjoy yourselves and try and get rooney's shirt afterwards.

[dww]

well we can argue about the 'laws' of the game. Imo it's not relevant. Surely, in any sport, anyone competing has to do their best to win - be it a team game or indvidual, morally/for the good of the sport, you have to give yourself the best chance.

If they had rested four or five key players - hmm ok you can argue over rotation, resting players etc - but to make a complete overhaul like this, imo is disgraceful - first of all it's robbing your own fans, it's admitting defeat, it's allowing another team to have an easy win - and as already pointed out - what kinda reaction does that have to a dressing room. Firstly the players who have been dropped will be puzzled/frustrated, secondly the players come in, how the **** do they feel - "oh well the boss has wrote this game off as a loss so he has drafted in the rejects, **** it i can't be arsed" - what kinda of team talk does mcarthy give - listen lads - those who played and beat spurs at the weekend, none of you are good enough to beat united so you are being rested till the weekend when we play a team you can compete against. - those who are playing tonight, you not good enough to be considered for the next game cause we want to try and win it - so go out there, enjoy yourselves and try and get rooney's shirt afterwards.

Surely the question simply becomes in a league situation what is it that you are aiming to give yourself the best chance to 'win' or succeed in. For Wolves survival is the metric of success and if playing an under strength team against United helps them survive of compete for survival then they have on some level completed their moral obligation at least to their own fans.

That is more or less the logic used by big teams when they rest players so I don't see why it should be different for small(er) ones.

If the FA wants to enforce this rule then they need to go down the Spanish route of having N players named at the start of the season and not allow anyone else to play (with possible exceptional circumstance allowances).

[red g]

heard a fan has reported them to trading standards haha!!!

[PTP]

Surely the question simply becomes in a league situation what is it that you are aiming to give yourself the best chance to 'win' or succeed in. For Wolves survival is the metric of success and if playing an under strength team against United helps them survive of compete for survival then they have on some level completed their moral obligation at least to their own fans.

That is more or less the logic used by big teams when they rest players so I don't see why it should be different for small(er) ones.

If the FA wants to enforce this rule then they need to go down the Spanish route of having N players named at the start of the season and not allow anyone else to play (with possible exceptional circumstance allowances).

Don't get me wrong - I totally understand the logic - i just totally disagree with it in this instance. - 'Big' teams rest/rotate players for 'lesser important games' but you can argue that a) the players that come in are still of a high standard b) they rarely if ever make 10 complete changes, c) always still field a side that is either capable of winning or d) at the minimum will always field a side and try and win the game

in this instance - wolves/mcarthy, have just said **** it - what's the point, we can't beat the mancs even if we have our 10 best players firing on full cylinders so write it off. They might as well as not bothered turning up. It's certainly not in the spirit of the game - I hope they get beat at the weekend, i'd ****ing piss myself

[red g]

If a player is good enough to warrant a shirt number, then he is a first team player. It's then up to the manager what players he puts out, out of that squad.

If Rafa did it, he'd get slaughtered if they lost. So would most managers (except Ferguson, who it would appear still holds sway over most journalists). Doesn't mean it's not allowed tho.

how does that explain Salif diao?

[dww]

Don't get me wrong - I totally understand the logic - i just totally disagree with it in this instance. - 'Big' teams rest/rotate players for 'lesser important games' but you can argue that a) the players that come in are still of a high standard b) they rarely if ever make 10 complete changes, c) always still field a side that is either capable of winning or d) at the minimum will always field a side and try and win the game

I take that I just think the logic is that both big teams and little teams rest players when it is least likely to affect the result. The situations are just different for each.

I can see the point of d) but we have all seen sides sent out with the best players on the pitch who have no intention of playing to win against United and I'm not sure there is a big difference between that and giving fringe players (who it could be argued are more likely to give their all) a run out.

I do think that teams that try to get something out of every game generally do better though which is pretty much the only form of justice that can be applied.

in this instance - wolves/mcarthy, have just said **** it - what's the point, we can't beat the mancs even if we have our 10 best players firing on full cylinders so write it off. They might as well as not bothered turning up. It's certainly not in the spirit of the game - I hope they get beat at the weekend, i'd ****ing piss myself

It certainly turns a team I was quite fond of/hoped did well into one which I kind of hope go down.

[Scratch]

how does that explain Salif diao?

Scored on his "dayboo" and then faded into obscurity...to be fair, he and Diouf did look good in the WC tho...

[dww]

I really like Owen Coyle. He speaks very well about things and seems to be very honest in his assessments.

[Marky]

****ing hell Adebayor is one lazy cunt of a player.

[MrsB]