A Different England

[red g]

Buying foreign players is one thing. Filling club academies with teenagers from around the world is what ****s up English players. There is not enough space for them in PL academies so they end up at second tier clue which don't have the training expertise or facilities. A ban on all clubs taking anyone from abroad under 16 would have a massive impact. It would also have a huge impact on the big clubs like us so would never happen in a million years. The current situation of legalised child trafficking by europe's top clubs is a disgrace really. Drag a kid to the uk from Bolivia or somewhere and release them a few years later. Thnk of the impact on the individual and their family. We're ****ing scum.

i am pretty sure most of those individuals will be earning more over here than back in there native countries. who are you to quash a childs dream of supporting there family?

[Mattshark]

Buying foreign players is one thing. Filling club academies with teenagers from around the world is what ****s up English players. There is not enough space for them in PL academies so they end up at second tier clue which don't have the training expertise or facilities. A ban on all clubs taking anyone from abroad under 16 would have a massive impact. It would also have a huge impact on the big clubs like us so would never happen in a million years. The current situation of legalised child trafficking by europe's top clubs is a disgrace really. Drag a kid to the uk from Bolivia or somewhere and release them a few years later. Thnk of the impact on the individual and their family. We're ****ing scum.

Well a lot of South American countries ban the export of players under 18 now.

However while our reserves have a lot of foreign players, our academy is predominantly English, the problem is that the players are still not good enough for the top level. We won't see the improvement in youth players for some time imo.

[Kenneth]

i am pretty sure most of those individuals will be earning more over here than back in there native countries. who are you to quash a childs dream of supporting there family?

Well I don't have the power to change the rules mate.

We don't import kids to be apprentice electricians (which would also give them the potential to support their families) and we shouldn't do it with football. It's exploitation. They're kids ffs.

[Kenneth]

Well a lot of South American countries ban the export of players under 18 now.

However while our reserves have a lot of foreign players, our academy is predominantly English, the problem is that the players are still not good enough for the top level. We won't see the improvement in youth players for some time imo.

Say the academies are half English, half not. 100% English would double the number of players getting top level coaching.

[red g]

Well I don't have the power to change the rules mate.

We don't import kids to be apprentice electricians (which would also give them the potential to support their families) and we shouldn't do it with football. It's exploitation. They're kids ffs.

good point

[Mattshark]

Say the academies are half English, half not. 100% English would double the number of players getting top level coaching.

But are there enough players good enough to get that standard at the right age yet? Especially at a lot of clubs.
Again 33000 coaches in Germany, trained to a higher standard that the 1000 in England, that is a massive issue.
Even with our team, it has 30 players and 21 are British (20 English 1 scot).

[The_weatherman]

But are there enough players good enough to get that standard at the right age yet? Especially at a lot of clubs.
Again 33000 coaches in Germany, trained to a higher standard that the 1000 in England, that is a massive issue.
Even with our team, it has 30 players and 21 are British (20 English 1 scot).

This report back this up. http://www.u.tv/Sport/Football-coach...7-ea2658328b26

Football coach shortage paints bleak picture for England's future
Digger: A dearth of English coaches with Uefa licences threatens the national team's long-term chances of success

Tuesday, 01 June 2010
Tags: General Sport

As England fans grasp for indicators of how their team will perform at the World Cup, Digger can reveal statistics that will lead only to pessimism.

Three years ago an official report concluded that coaching is the "golden thread" leading to international success, but new Uefa data shows that there are only 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's B, A and Pro badges, its top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588.


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Between them those four nations have provided eight of the 12 finalists at all the World Cups and European Championships since 1998. England, meanwhile, have not appeared in a tournament final in 44 years.

There are 2.25 million players in England and only one Uefa-qualified coach for every 812 people playing the game. Spain, the World Cup favourites, have 408,134 players, giving a ratio of 1:17. In Italy, the world champions, the ratio is 1:48, in France it is 1:96, Germany 1:150 and even Greece, the Euro 2004 winners, have only 180,000 registered players for their 1,100 coaches, a ratio of 1:135.

Three years ago Richard Lewis – the Rugby Football League chairman who was commissioned to lead a joint youth-development study for the Football Association, Premier League and Football League – concluded: "It is no coincidence that sports achieving success on the international stage place great store on quality coaching – not just at the highest level but right throughout the athlete and player development pathway."

He recommended that "the system of coaching and player development should be so enhanced that there is an increasing stream of better young players qualified to play for England – players who have been better coached from a very young age, and who have the technical, physical and mental skills to succeed at the very highest international level."

Yet in the two years following Lewis's Review of Young Player Development in Professional Football, comparatively few had progressed on the coaching pathway. Uefa's census in July 2006 found there to be 1,430 Uefa B-qualified coaches in England, 397 with the A badge and only 45 with Pro licences. In the October 2009 study those numbers had crept up to 1,759, to 895 and to 115 respectively.

Spain have almost as many Pro-licensed coaches as there are English coaches of any stripe: 2,140 as against 2,769. Again, the ratios of available Pro-licensed coaches to players show an alarming gulf between England and the top-ranked football nation – 1:190 in Spain, 1:19,565 here.

At the current rate of progress it will take 123 years for England's resource of Pro-licensed coaches to match Spain's today.

Gordon Taylor, the chief executive of the Professional Footballers Association, told Digger: "There is a link between coaching and quality. The timing of this is really important: the World Cup will bring this to a head, particularly if England do badly. How you do internationally is a proper reflection of your nation's youth development."

Taylor considers it an embarrassment that despite the wealth of the English game there is such a poor resource of qualified coaches. Indeed the PFA grew so frustrated at the lack of leadership shown by the football authorities that it has introduced its own coaching department in an attempt to turn today's players into tomorrow's coaches.

The League Managers' Association has also been forced to go it alone. Its chief executive, Richard Bevan, said: "Historically there has been a significant lack of investment in the provision of management support and training programmes for the development of young coaches and managers. We are embracing the corporate world for funding after recent proposals were declined by the FA and the Professional Game Board, which was immensely disappointing." There are hopes that the proposed National Football Centre at Burton-on-Trent will provide impetus to coaching development. But the funding to develop the site has still not been secured, suggesting English success could still be decades away.

[Craig_H]

Buying foreign players is one thing. Filling club academies with teenagers from around the world is what ****s up English players. There is not enough space for them in PL academies so they end up at second tier clue which don't have the training expertise or facilities. A ban on all clubs taking anyone from abroad under 16 would have a massive impact. It would also have a huge impact on the big clubs like us so would never happen in a million years. The current situation of legalised child trafficking by europe's top clubs is a disgrace really. Drag a kid to the uk from Bolivia or somewhere and release them a few years later. Thnk of the impact on the individual and their family. We're ****ing scum.

How do these south american kids, who have never played for their countries in their lives, keep managing to get work permits? Something involving brown envelopes perhaps?

[Mattshark]

How do these south american kids, who have never played for their countries in their lives, keep managing to get work permits? Something involving brown envelopes perhaps?

They don't need work permits for all nations.

[Craig_H]

Non EU need work permits, dont they? Officially speaking, at least.

Then of course, the mancs somehow manage to bypass this rule time and time again.

[Kronenburg1892]

As most of you have pointed out, the formation was what went wrong. But to get players to use that formation with any discipline, they need to train together for longer, with people who actually understand tactics.

I'd like to be a little more radical. I'd like to put in place a system where, any potential England player has it in writing that before a tournement, if he wants to play for his country, the corresponding FA has the ability to compensate the player's club, for taking the player out for the last few games of the season.

If the player is in a team contending for honours they have the option to opt out. If they do, then they don't get any priority placing in that squad. The players that have trained as a team for the country do.

[Craig_H]

How long do you think the FA will survive if they're going to be paying compensation to Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs etc, per player, for crucial league/CL games?

Not long.

[Kenneth]

Non EU need work permits, dont they? Officially speaking, at least.

Then of course, the mancs somehow manage to bypass this rule time and time again.

I don't know whether playing for a youth side and getting 'expenses' qualifies as employment to be honest. Must be some kid of Visa, but maybe it's a kind of educational one.

I also noticed that the Government, having brought in a cap or non eu skilled immigrants has excluded 'elite sportsmen' from the criteria. No doubt anyone offered a place at at a big club will be considered elite by default.

[Kronenburg1892]

How long do you think the FA will survive if they're going to be paying compensation to Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs etc, per player, for crucial league/CL games?

Not long.

That would be up to the player to decide, not the FA. It just allows in contractual terms, a player to commit his time at the end of a season to prepare properly in a team for a major tournement.

[Kenneth]

How long do you think the FA will survive if they're going to be paying compensation to Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs etc, per player, for crucial league/CL games?

Not long.

Indeed. I actually prefer the idea of ignoring fluctuation in form to some degree, picking a steady team and keeping it for 2 years until the next major tournament. Obviously if someone is injured or their form bombs and they're not playing regularly, they'll have to be replaced, but it's more important to build and coach a team with some consistency than to chase the best in form players game to game.