Thanks Fernando..?

[Craig_H]

Fair enough. I just have an open mind about it. Torres would probably avoid telling the whole truth if it gained him and you could say the same thing about our owner.

It is almost impossible to know what really happened. FSG will release stories that paint them in good light and Torres stories that do the same for him.

It is all about PR.

Sorry Arn, but that's the most ironic thing i think i have read....ever.

You do not have an open mind at all.

Gerrard IS the devil. Carragher IS worse. Purslow IS scum. FSG ARENT ambitious. Torres WOULD have stayed. Rafa IS perfect.

Your opinions are set in stone, full stop. Always. Never ANY room for manoeuvre. It's just set in stone permanently, and completely black and white, no grey areas ever.

One thing you are NOT, is 'open minded'.

[Kenneth]

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Just watched a bit of the PC.

All I saw was a guy that once played for us...

[Arn]

Sorry Arn, but that's the most ironic thing i think i have read....ever.

You do not have an open mind at all.

Gerrard IS the devil. Carragher IS worse. Purslow IS scum. FSG ARENT ambitious. Torres WOULD have stayed. Rafa IS perfect.

Your opinions are set in stone, full stop. Always. Never ANY room for manoeuvre. It's just set in stone permanently, and completely black and white, no grey areas ever.

One thing you are NOT, is 'open minded'.

You really are deluded, aren't you.

So it is ok to do what Gerrard and Carragher did(maybe Torres also played a part) when they got rid of Rafa they way they allegedly did?

No it isn't. I can tell you that. You will never agree with that, I know that because you are so in love with Carra and Gerrard that you will back them up almost whatever they do.

I don't hate Carra or Gerrard. I disgust what Gerrard did last season when he sulked more or less a whole season. Totally unacceptable but you will probably again defend his sulking. It is totally unacceptable to do what Carra did when he refused to play right back.

They should get a lot of stick for what they did, a lot of stick. The thing that no one is bigger than the club that KK said was a message to everyone, not only Torres. It was a message to Gerrard and Carragher that their player power end now straight away. I'm the boss, no one else.

I have never said that Rafa is perfect but you're so deluded that you will imagine that one up. Idiot.

I have pointed out many times to mistakes Rafa did but you totally ignore them and you remembers what your little brain can remember.

**** off.

I have never said that FSG aren't ambitious. Another thing you imagined up in your little brain. I have said that they looked that wouldn't be ambitious.

Idiot.

I will have you on ignore from now so don't bother answering this. You clearly live in your own strange world.

[Shaggy]

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Torres: Reds duo broke promises
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.Fernando Torres has pinned the blame for his departure from Liverpool squarely on the shoulders of Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Torres claims the club's ousted owners are responsible for what was their worst start to a league season for more than half a century following "two years" of broken promises at Anfield.

The striker believes the new regime at Liverpool is on the right track to revive their fortunes but admits he was not prepared to hang around and wait for the Reds to become major contenders for trophies once again.

Entering his peak years, the 26-year-old decided to join last season's double winners Chelsea, who he is confident are already equipped to challenge for the game's top prizes.

Expressing his discontent about Liverpool's "old owners", Torres added: "I think when the new owner, John Henry, came and brought his team with him, the club was moving in the right direction.

"They have ambition and they know how to do things and go back to the way they were.

"It is my opinion, though, that they need time for that. Maybe they will need the time while I'm at my best age to play football.

"I explained my situation, my feelings, and was honest with everyone.

"I told everyone, face to face, my feelings and that I wanted to leave for Chelsea.

"They didn't hear that in the press. They heard it from me. That was maybe 10 or 12 days before the window closed."

Explaining why he chose Chelsea, Torres said: "When you have a chance of playing for a team in the Champions League, who have a chance to win the Champions League, and if you are the right age to do that and compete with the best, you have to do that."

Torres' desire to leave Anfield angered some Liverpool fans, who had welcomed him as one of their own from the moment he arrived.

While still an Atletico Madrid player, he had 'You'll Never Walk Alone' stitched into his captain's armband.

But he insists the only club he has ever supported is Atletico.

He said: "When you are joining a club, you want to do the best for yourself and that club, and that's all. Some people like to kiss the badge. They can do it.

"I only want to score goals and do my job, and achieve all the targets the team has.

"I was not a Liverpool fan or a Chelsea fan in Madrid. I was an Atletico fan. I still am.

"Maybe they're the only badge I will kiss."

Some Reds fans burnt Torres replica shirts when his departure was becoming inevitable, while he has been criticised by some former players.

"I think 'traitor' makes no sense," he said.

"I played three very good seasons there, left massive money there, lots of goals, good performances.

"I'm very happy with everything I did there."

Torres insists it did not even enter his mind to ask to sit out tomorrow's Barclays Premier League clash with his former club, although he has vowed not to celebrate if he scores.

He added: "Maybe it's too soon to ask for a good reception. I'm not expecting that. But it would be a surprise for me if I get a very bad reception."

The arrival of Torres and David Luiz for a combined £75million has sparked reports Chelsea may sell the likes of Didier Drogba and Florent Malouda this summer.

But manager Carlo Ancelotti said: "We don't want to sell.

"We don't need to sell players."

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[Jayesh87]

Here is my blog piece on Torres

[Arn]

Here is my blog piece on Torres

Excellent article

Torres hasn't been the only player that couldn't motivate himself to play for us. Our own captain didn't start to perform again until KK took charge.

Players simply think about themselves first and club second, even our Captain do that. Sulking is never acceptable. Not in a single game.

We did the right thing that sold Torres and we should have done the right thing and sold Gerrard and Carra last summer. We need to get rid of the player power and let the boss be the boss.

I will miss Torres but I agree with what KK said, no one is bigger than the club. I hope that every player in the squad understand that message, if they don't. Sell them, just like we sold Torres. I have said that in here a few times. Get rid off the players with to much influence off the pitch. Torres was one of them. If the others don't understand that message then as I said, get rid off them and sell them as soon as possible. Would KK accepted the way Gerrard sulked last season? Not a chance. I doubt that Gerrard of course would have sulked if KK been in charge.

Gerrard is an excellent player when he want to be it. You could say the same thing about Torres.

I will still respect what Torres did for us but I won't respect him as much as a person as I did a month ago.

I can understand why he moved and he would probably been off in the summer anyway.

I agree with you that we got the better deal. Chelsea got Torres and we got Carroll and Suarez. What happens if Torres gets injured? Then Chelsea will have no good enough back up. Football now is all about squad strength and to have good back ups.

We now have two excellent strikers and that means that our squad strength improved a lot. Our starting XI got worse but as a team we got stronger.

[Shaggy]

He added: "Maybe it's too soon to ask for a good reception. I'm not expecting that. But it would be a surprise for me if I get a very bad reception."

In for a shock then you cunt.

[Craig_H]

You really are deluded, aren't you.

So it is ok to do what Gerrard and Carragher did(maybe Torres also played a part) when they got rid of Rafa they way they allegedly did?

Exactly. "Allegedly" - yet you've already made up your mind that they DID do whatever they apparently did, and you have no evidence - open minded?

No it isn't. I can tell you that. You will never agree with that, I know that because you are so in love with Carra and Gerrard that you will back them up almost whatever they do.

Whatever they do? But we dont know what they did. We have no evidence.

Thank goodness you're not a judge, you'd jail someone on suspicion, charges or not. Open minded?

I don't hate Carra or Gerrard. I disgust what Gerrard did last season when he sulked more or less a whole season. Totally unacceptable but you will probably again defend his sulking. It is totally unacceptable to do what Carra did when he refused to play right back.

So you're disgusted with Torres too, for sulking? No you're not.

The problem for you, isnt the 'sulking', it's the fact that Gerrard's 'sulking' meant he didnt turn superman for Rafa and save Rafa's job. THAT is your problem. Open minded? Do me a favour

They should get a lot of stick for what they did, a lot of stick. The thing that no one is bigger than the club that KK said was a message to everyone, not only Torres. It was a message to Gerrard and Carragher that their player power end now straight away. I'm the boss, no one else.

Correct, nobody is bigger than the club. But you elevate Rafa to that position.

I have never said that Rafa is perfect but you're so deluded that you will imagine that one up. Idiot.

I have pointed out many times to mistakes Rafa did but you totally ignore them and you remembers what your little brain can remember.

You point out mistakes he made, and i point out that Gerrard made mistakes too. Yet, you keep peddling rubbish about me thinking Gerrard is 'perfect'.

Open minded?

**** off.

I have never said that FSG aren't ambitious. Another thing you imagined up in your little brain. I have said that they looked that wouldn't be ambitious.

Idiot.

I will have you on ignore from now so don't bother answering this. You clearly live in your own strange world.

Try opening it up to the group, and seeing who people agree with. I'm pretty sure you'd have the minority vote. I'm not the only one who has this opinion.

[The_weatherman]

I have to say my anger towards Torres has receded a bit and after taking a look at myself I think I may have overreacted. I won't wish him good luck nor bad, it's a shame he turned out the way he did but I guess this could be the best option for both him and us long term. But I'm definately not dwelling on a Chelsea player one minute longer.

[Craig_H]

Charlie Nicholas (of all people) on Torres:
"He couldnt wait to get out of there, but Liverpool are bigger and better"

[Craig_H]

Stelling: "Isnt it inevitable, when you're not in the Champions League, that your top players will want to leave?"
Merson: "I dont see that, you're playing for an unbelievable club and for unbelievable fans"

[Helios Creed]

Bye bye Sulky, Hello Bitey and Fighty.