Jonjo Shelvey

[Scotsdave]

Pretty clear who jumps in with two feet and it's not the bald chap in the red

You've picked the still that suits your argument best. Well done, have a biscuit - now back to bed while the adults chat.

Let's at least start by acknowledging the referee was within his rights to send Shelvey off, and an argument can be made for Evans as well - if this isn't the starting point of a sensible discussion then there's really no point.

The idea that Shelvey has been wronged and Evans committed the foul is just not supported by what actually happened.

[Tee]

You've picked the still that suits your argument best. Well done, have a biscuit - now back to bed while the adults chat.

Let's at least start by acknowledging the referee was within his rights to send Shelvey off, and an argument can be made for Evans as well - if this isn't the starting point of a sensible discussion then there's really no point.

The idea that Shelvey has been wronged and Evans committed the foul is just not supported by what actually happened.

The fact that Shelvey got a red and Evans got nothing confirms he has indeed been wronged. Even more so when looking at that picture.

[Alex]

You've picked the still that suits your argument best. Well done, have a biscuit - now back to bed while the adults chat.

Let's at least start by acknowledging the referee was within his rights to send Shelvey off, and an argument can be made for Evans as well - if this isn't the starting point of a sensible discussion then there's really no point.

The idea that Shelvey has been wronged and Evans committed the foul is just not supported by what actually happened.

I haven't seen many say that Shelvey didn't deserve some punishment. But that photo demonstrates that Evans should have gone too. Or at the very least gotten a card. He got neither though.

[Kenneth]

You've picked the still that suits your argument best. Well done, have a biscuit - now back to bed while the adults chat.

Let's at least start by acknowledging the referee was within his rights to send Shelvey off, and an argument can be made for Evans as well - if this isn't the starting point of a sensible discussion then there's really no point.

The idea that Shelvey has been wronged and Evans committed the foul is just not supported by what actually happened.

Well the idea of him being 'within his rights' is a somewhat perverse concept for a referee.

The only aspect of the tackle that can warrant a red is the level of force (he took the ball first with one leg) and whether it was excessive. Make your own mind up.

Evans went in two footed and studs showing, automatic red. Then you can layer on a judgement about excessive force. Again, make four own mind up.

That's what actually happened, so an adult response please without the childish put downs.

[Norbs]

You've picked the still that suits your argument best. Well done, have a biscuit - now back to bed while the adults chat.

Let's at least start by acknowledging the referee was within his rights to send Shelvey off, and an argument can be made for Evans as well - if this isn't the starting point of a sensible discussion then there's really no point.

The idea that Shelvey has been wronged and Evans committed the foul is just not supported by what actually happened.

No need to be condescending. Of course it's a still shot that suits the argument but that argument exists because there's been an injustice. The image shows this. And obviously, as a manc, you're not bothered about the incident being discussed any further as it doesn't suit your agenda.

Answer this. Are both Evans feet within 12" of each other, outstretched and studs up? The photo clearly shows they are. Can't see how he could have any control whatsoever of himself. Now look at Shelvey, this photo is taken after the ball has been played by both players. Shelvey's left foot is planted firmly and safely well away from Evans legs with the studs in the ground under his body almost. The right leg, after having blocked the ball side footed is only going to hit Evans in the knee because Evans momentum is unstoppable because the cunt is off the ****ing ground.

Idiot

[Lecter]

They claimed Evans got a toe to the ball and that Johnson made contact with Valencia. Also they were surprised Halsey didn't disallow Gerrard's goal as Lindegaard wasn't ready, Reina should have been booked for nearly saving the penalty, Johnson and Agger should both have been sent off for fouling each other near the halfway line and Ferguson should win the Nobel peace prize.

[Gaz]

You've picked the still that suits your argument best. Well done, have a biscuit - now back to bed while the adults chat.

Let's at least start by acknowledging the referee was within his rights to send Shelvey off, and an argument can be made for Evans as well - if this isn't the starting point of a sensible discussion then there's really no point.

The idea that Shelvey has been wronged and Evans committed the foul is just not supported by what actually happened.

So lets go over what did happen, Jonjo won the ball from Giggs and while in open play both Evans and Jonjo made a challenge for the ball, you'd think Johnny Evans had the ball under control with the way everyone's going on about it. They both made contact with the ball and then with each other, same punishment should apply but it didn't. The above still doesn't show that Jonjo did have both feet off the ground at one point but it does show that only 1 player made a straight two footed challenge and that was Evans. Those kind of tackles are leg breakers and should rightly be punished

[Neil Young]

The relevant section from FIFA's interpretation of Law 12: Fouls and Misconduct.

Serious foul play

A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.

A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside the offender’s penalty area).

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worl...8/law12-en.pdf

I'd be grateful if anyone can explain to me how that applies to Shelvey but not Evans.

[Lecter]

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[Shaggy]

****ing malicious cunt he is.

[Vermilion]

The relevant section from FIFA's interpretation of Law 12: Fouls and Misconduct.


I'd be grateful if anyone can explain to me how that applies to Shelvey but not Evans.

Exactly.

[dom9]

The ref was clearly incompetent, but not biased (as has been stated a fair bit).

You could make a good case that Shelvey should have been booked in the first few minutes for another reckless challenge but the ref gave him the benefit of the doubt on that occasion.

[Vermilion]

The ref was clearly incompetent, but not biased (as has been stated a fair bit).

You could make a good case that Shelvey should have been booked in the first few minutes for another reckless challenge but the ref gave him the benefit of the doubt on that occasion.

Over the whole 90mins, imo, he was biased, utd got nearly all the 50/50 decisions and more. imo.

Incompetently biased.

[dom9]

Over the whole 90mins, imo, he was biased, utd got nearly all the 50/50 decisions and more. imo.

Incompetently biased.

Sorry, I'll clarify, I don't think he was being corrupt.

[Lecter]

The problem isnt incompetence or bias imo its a total lack of consistency

Look at that Evans tackle clip I have posted thats no different from his attempt yesterday yet one deems it a red the other doesnt book him

As if the difference between one referee and another isnt bad enough but the lack of consistencey yesterday in decisions was quite staggerring

Shelvey sent off and Evans AND Van Persie not

Penalty awarded for Valencia and yet nothing given for Suarez

That to me is the most infurating thing it wouldnt be as bad if the referee got all the decisions wrong but when they see some as one thing and others as lesser offences its quite bizarre and frankly annoying and prompts the calls by fans to quesiton their integrity