Jonjo Shelvey

[Glenn Hysen]

They don't give interviews.

Why not?? They're part of the game dammit...

[dww]

Thanks.

I never saw that blown up close up before. Evans did not get the ball.

When seeing the normal replay during the game (i.e. not magnified in super slo-mo), to me it looked like a legit challenge.

I don't think the ref could give it to be honest. It's a clear penalty only on specific replays the ref has to err on the side of caution.

In terms of the Shelvey decision I think it was far and away not the only uncontrolled challenge. Actually just after the Suarez penalty shout Scholes flies in from behind on a player. Not sure how controlled it was but his later tackle (for which he was booked) looked similar to me and no different an offence to the Shelvey card.

[Neil Young]

I don't think the ref could give it to be honest. It's a clear penalty only on specific replays the ref has to err on the side of caution.

He somehow felt able to give the Valencia one though yet it's not a clear penalty in any replay I've seen.

[Neil Young]

**** off you patronising cunt.

Casemore.

Shocking language though. As Lee would say, have a word with yourself.

[Shaggy]

He somehow felt able to give the Valencia one though yet it's not a clear penalty in any replay I've seen.

[Rich]

Casemore.

Shocking language though. As Lee would say, have a word with yourself.

Should he have used pleb instead?

[Shaggy]

Casemore.

Shocking language though. As Lee would say, have a word with yourself.

I LOL'd at Casemore's post

Got to love the mods setting an example and welcoming our friends from down the East Lancs road

[dww]

He somehow felt able to give the Valencia one though yet it's not a clear penalty in any replay I've seen.

Agree - that is a massive mistake. Although a lot of people in the pub we watched the game in seemed to think it was a penalty at first. One has to accept there are limits to judgement. Personally I think referees (and pundits) tend to give to much weight to whether or not the ball deviates after a tackle.

[dom9]

I don't think the ref could give it to be honest. It's a clear penalty only on specific replays the ref has to err on the side of caution.

In terms of the Shelvey decision I think it was far and away not the only uncontrolled challenge. Actually just after the Suarez penalty shout Scholes flies in from behind on a player. Not sure how controlled it was but his later tackle (for which he was booked) looked similar to me and no different an offence to the Shelvey card.

He somehow felt able to give the Valencia one though yet it's not a clear penalty in any replay I've seen.

[Neil Young]

Agree - that is a massive mistake. Although a lot of people in the pub we watched the game in seemed to think it was a penalty at first. One has to accept there are limits to judgement. Personally I think referees (and pundits) tend to give to much weight to whether or not the ball deviates after a tackle.

I agree. Of course there are limits to judgment and we have to expect referees to get decisions wrong (including, as Alex suggested, the seeming non-decisions, the ones they, so to speak, don't make). What is galling is when they are so persistently in favour of one side.

We both know one game proves nothing of course. It's perfectly within the boebal bounds of random variation that Halsey happened to give all the notable decisions to Man United yesterday. But, while I'm willing to acknowledge I'm making an assumption, I still contend that Man United get far too many favourable decisions (and non-decisions) over the course of many seasons.

I bet you can find the relevant analysis on some site like footballnerdiness.com or analyticaloverloadremovingjoyfromsport.co.uk or somewhere.

[Captain Stu]

[Shaggy]

I don't think that one was a red tbh. He got booked didn't he?

[Captain Stu]

I don't think that one was a red tbh. He got booked didn't he?

Yeah, he got a yellow and because it was dealt with - it couldn't then be changed after the game.

I think if you're sending off Shelvey - that's a red card too.

[dww]

I don't think that one was a red tbh. He got booked didn't he?

I think in some ways the questions are what is it that we are trying punish and why. I was under the impression that the aim was to protect players by preventing tackles that cannot be controlled by those making them and might result in injuries. As such I think any sliding tackle (with both feet of the ground even if not involved in the impact) which is into rather than across a player should be dealt with in a similar way.

[Pablo]

Anyone got a clip of Scholes' horror tackle from yesterday? I also thought that one was a red.