Le Saux on gay slurs

[Kenneth]

Robbie Savage seemed to get a particular thrill out of it, but I guess that will not surprise anybody.

Indeed.

[Darth Marty]

I remember laughing at that as well but after reading that its pretty pathetic & Le Saux didnt deserve that. He comes across as being a decent guy who did get bullied because of his background/character. Thats unacceptable.

I do remember Le Saux being a bit of a **** whilst playing though so isnt there a possibility hes just putting his spin on the situation?

[Neil Young]

I was so blinded by my love for Robbie Fowler - and pretty young and naive too - that I found it hilarious at the time.

I remember defending Fowler to people. I wasn't young or naive - just blinded by tribalism.

Poor show.

[Norbs]

The man doth protest too much.

KIDDING!!!!

I'm a bit light on my feet and have suffered abuse in the past for being effeminate. I'm not gay but the abuse can still hurt, regardless. The point here though is how openly in the public domain it was without any action from the authorities. Le Saux dealt with it professionally ON HIS OWN and with a great deal of integrity, the abuse was constant and unrelenting

[Darth Marty]

Or hes in denial......

[Norbs]

Or hes in denial......

Le Saux's gayness or non-gayness doesn't excuse the abuse he received though mate, it was aimed intentionally at him

[Fosterbloke]

Well Fowler is a cunt after reading that. So many sporting heros are to be honest. You have to separate the sportman and the person.

Peter Brock was another (motor racing). Amazing racer, cunt of a man (used to beat his wife). He died in a motor racing accident not far from where I was living at the time.

[Kenneth]

He needs to grow some balls, the big puff.

... to head off any suggestion that thus should be in the library.

[MrMichael]

I'll still stick up for Robbie's white line routine but the Le Saux stuff was well out of order.

Wasn't the only one though, Ince comes across as a total ****house in the article I posted.

Has anyone read it?

Yeah, interesting read.

Paul Ince always was a bit of a ****house, one lfc player I could never warm to even putting aside his ManU roots.

Its really odd how the whole homophobia thing in football, and more generally in society, has not really been addressed in the same way as racism etc. I guess that could well just be down to the lack of any openly gay players to front any such campaigns, but then it becomes a vicious circle. Anyone who say, plays an online computer game, will know that "gay" is probably the most common term of abuse used today by large swathes of young people, so its not something that even seems likely to change naturally.

[EwarWoo]

Its really odd how the whole homophobia thing in football, and more generally in society, has not really been addressed in the same way as racism etc.

It's the whole stigma thing. If you tell a racist to pull his head in he can hardly turn round and say "It's only because you're black" and then turn the abuse on you.

With homophobia on the other hand it's a different matter.

It's a human thing, we don't want to be stigmatised so we don't stand up quite so tall to disagree.

Anyone who say, plays an online computer game, will know that "gay" is probably the most common term of abuse used today by large swathes of young people, so its not something that even seems likely to change naturally.

It's quite bizarre how badly it's used now. Our step-daughters best friend is gay. We have a good friend who's also gay who she likes and respects. Homosexual defiantely does not = bad in her mind. However she still does it and doesn't see the problem no matter how often I pull her up on it.

"That's so gay" is one of the worst phrases in the teenage vocabulary.

[little dave hedgehog]

how many times have i been ridiculed by suggesting it's not cool to refer to torres as a tranny?

still happening.

still sucks.

[little dave hedgehog]

It's the whole stigma thing. If you tell a racist to pull his head in he can hardly turn round and say "It's only because you're black" and then turn the abuse on you.

With homophobia on the other hand it's a different matter.

It's a human thing, we don't want to be stigmatised so we don't stand up quite so tall to disagree.


It's quite bizarre how badly it's used now. Our step-daughters best friend is gay. We have a good friend who's also gay who she likes and respects. Homosexual defiantely does not = bad in her mind. However she still does it and doesn't see the problem no matter how often I pull her up on it.

"That's so gay" is one of the worst phrases in the teenage vocabulary.

you have a daughter that is neither yours nor your wife's?

[MrMichael]

how many times have i been ridiculed by suggesting it's not cool to refer to torres as a tranny?

still happening.

still sucks.

That reminds me of a very old thread, way before your time I reckon Dave. One of the very few times I've ever lost my temper on this forum.....

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4926

[Icon]

People are **** sometimes.

Shocking read...

[Norbs]

how many times have i been ridiculed by suggesting it's not cool to refer to torres as a tranny?

still happening.

still sucks.

Maybe because being a tranny has little to do with being gay