Howard Webb

[Scotsdave]

The stick is fair!

TBF I'm wondering what the hell I'm doing here anyway!

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[Pablo]

The stick is fair!

TBF I'm wondering what the hell I'm doing here anyway!

: )

Having doubts about your club loyalty of course

[Scotsdave]

Having doubts about your club loyalty of course

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[little dave hedgehog]

so what are you doing here then? have you figured out what made you sign up here?

[Craig_H]

FWIW, from a Man Utd fan I admit, I thought the two decisions were correct.

Evra beat Sturridge to the ball and was kicked - no question a penalty.

The second one not so cut and dried, but Wellbeck bought the poor challenge with his body feint, and is in some way entitled to go over Ivanovic once the defender has made his mistake.

The biggest one I've heard criticism for Webb about was Carrick at OT against Villa a couple of years ago. Maybe a soft decision, but given the pace the tackle was made at, the refs position etc. you should be able to see how the ref could give a pen without automatically assuming he's in Utds pocket.

Why didn't he send Ivanovic off for the free kick on Wellbeck in the first 10mins? That was a blatant foul by the last man... Webb is not biased.

First one was a penalty, the second was laughable. Welbeck initiated the contact, Ivanovic's leg wasnt moving, it was Welbeck who put his own leg against that of Ivanovic and then went down.

As for why he didnt send off Ivanovic - what does 'last man' have to do with anything? There's no mention whatsoever in law about 'last man'. It's a red card if a player is denied a clear goalscoring opportunity - and it wasnt that. He was going away from goal and Luiz was right behind him.

[Chazza]

Wasn't it Cahill on Welbeck?

[Craig_H]

First - I am not a Wum, I'm not here to inflame opinion or other such ****e...

On the foul; I don't think the ball was running that wide and he was past Ivanovic for sure - Wellbeck is rapid and there was now way anyone else was getting back... I don't think Ivanovic intentionally tripped him but he did foul him - whether it denied a goal scoring opportunity is up for debate tbf... I just think it points to referees calling what they think they've seen - I just don't buy the "x favours [NotMyTeam] argument." it's humans making decisions on things they see while at least 15 of the other 22 humans involved try and con him.

On the 2nd pen. We can disagree on the outcome - but in terms of the play leading to it... Wellbeck dummies his first touch, letting it roll across him - Ivanovic anticipates the ball being within touching distance and dives in, Wellbeck, getting exactly what he wanted, controls the ball around Ivanovic and draws what is a foul ANYWHERE else on the pitch. It's a penalty, very soft, but a penalty. If you want an instance where someone has actively stretched his leg out to simulate contact, check out Johnson for City at the weekend - for me the instances are totally different.

Johnson wasn't fouled, Wellbeck was imo.

Hence why it's not a red card in law.

[Craig_H]

Wasn't it Cahill on Welbeck?

Yeah it was actually. Still not a red

[Chazza]

Yeah it was actually. Still not a red

Yep going away from goal

[Cormack74]

When you consider that he ref's the big games more than most other referees. I'm not so surprised at this. Man Utd have been involved at the top for a while. Id like too see the other stat's on penalties for other teams.

Quite possibly but I'm not aware that he gives another 20% of pens to Arsenal, The Chavs or ourselves.

Also (and I realize it's not quite this simple) if you divide the remaining 80% by the 19 teams other prem teams you get a figure of just over 4%. That's a heck of a difference.

I certainly don't remember hearing the same stats being flagged up in the past for other top refs such as Poll.

[Liverpool]

Whats happened to Webb and Clattenberg few years ago they were decent refs

[Mr Darko]

FWIW, from a Man Utd fan I admit

Just out of curiosity, as you're not a WUM you're obviously welcome but why register on a Liverpool FC forum? I heard (at least 10 times, or maybe 2 times, no actually it was 7 times) that you guys don't like LFC very much.

I thought the two decisions were correct

Being honest for the moment - do you think any penalty given to United in say the last 5 years was incorrectly awarded? Or do you think that 100% were correct and you should have had a load more?

What about that penalty United got from Webb a few years back when Mascherano makes contact with Valencia outside the box, Valencia carries on running for several seconds and falls down in the box...correct penalty?

What about Berbatov's dive (he even giggled in his post-match interview when asked if he dived) to get United a penalty after about 40 seconds in last year's FA cup...correct penalty?

In the same game - red card for Gerrard, exactly 8 seconds after Rafael does the exact same challenge but alas no card or even FK...correct decision?

Why didn't he send Ivanovic off for the free kick on Wellbeck in the first 10mins? That was a blatant foul by the last man...

This is the problem with you people: Webb makes probably two incorrect big decisions that go against United (in this single game) and that suddenly makes him unbiased, conveniently forgetting he gives 10 * the amount of incorrect decisions to your benefit over the last dozen games.

It's the same with Fergie: breaks a dozen FA rules over last couple of years and actually gets punished (fine and/or ban) for only 3 of them - typical United fan reaction "we're always getting punished for everything".

Webb is not biased.

I don't think it matters whether he's biased and/or a poor referee. Fact is he makes far too many mistakes and shouldn't be refereeing. How he's allowed to carry on given the amount and importance of the mistakes he makes is extraordinary. Something dodgy was going on that allowed him to referee the last 3 games for LFC vs United at Old Trafford - When was the last time any individual was given three games in a row for the same two teams at the same stadium?

[Chazza]

Whats happened to Webb and Clattenberg few years ago they were decent refs

Clattenburg has got the Carling cup final

Never been quite the same after he was binned for dodgy dealings

Following the investigation into his personal life and business debts, the referees' governing body dismissed Clattenburg, citing a breach of contract. He denied all the allegations and appealed the decision.[19] On 18 February 2009 the Professional Game Match Officials Board reinstated Clattenburg as a Select Group referee. However, he had to serve an eight-month suspension, starting from his original suspension date of 6 August 2008. Upon his return from suspension on the last day of the Premier League season, Clattenburg refereed a fixture between Manchester City and Bolton Wanderers — his only domestic appointment of that season.

[Fivex]

so what are you doing here then? have you figured out what made you sign up here?

Yeti.

[Scotsdave]

Just out of curiosity, as you're not a WUM you're obviously welcome but why register on a Liverpool FC forum? I heard (at least 10 times, or maybe 2 times, no actually it was 7 times) that you guys don't like LFC very much.


Being honest for the moment - do you think any penalty given to United in say the last 5 years was incorrectly awarded? Or do you think that 100% were correct and you should have had a load more?

What about that penalty United got from Webb a few years back when Mascherano makes contact with Valencia outside the box, Valencia carries on running for several seconds and falls down in the box...correct penalty?

What about Berbatov's dive (he even giggled in his post-match interview when asked if he dived) to get United a penalty after about 40 seconds in last year's FA cup...correct penalty?

In the same game - red card for Gerrard, exactly 8 seconds after Rafael does the exact same challenge but alas no card or even FK...correct decision?



This is the problem with you people: Webb makes probably two incorrect big decisions that go against United (in this single game) and that suddenly makes him unbiased, conveniently forgetting he gives 10 * the amount of incorrect decisions to your benefit over the last dozen games.

It's the same with Fergie: breaks a dozen FA rules over last couple of years and actually gets punished (fine and/or ban) for only 3 of them - typical United fan reaction "we're always getting punished for everything".


I don't think it matters whether he's biased and/or a poor referee. Fact is he makes far too many mistakes and shouldn't be refereeing. How he's allowed to carry on given the amount and importance of the mistakes he makes is extraordinary. Something dodgy was going on that allowed him to referee the last 3 games for LFC vs United at Old Trafford - When was the last time any individual was given three games in a row for the same two teams at the same stadium?

[Sarcasm]Sure it wasn't 19 times you heard Utd don't like Liverpool?[/sarcasm]

If you want to do the research to support your points by all means be my guest. I'll happily review the last 5 years of penalties awarded to Utd and give you an honest opinion of them.

Re: Mascherano vs Valencia - again, dig out the video I'd be happy to for my take on it - I half remember the incident - there was definitely a foul outside the box, but I can't remember if the 'foul' continued into the box....

Re: Berbatov and Agger - Agger sold himself totally, made contact, so Berbatov went down - really that shocking? On the soft side but if you try to tell me that Agger did no wrong you're deluding yourself.

Re: Gerrard's red. Nailed on red, no question. I remember seeing the Rafael tackle you're talking about and thinking at the time "Thank **** Agent Webb is on the case here."

Look what you did Charlie. You made me WUM.