Mata

[dww]

Buying British the way Kenny done have so far never worked in the PL. Aston Villa tried it and failed. Didn't even get close to a CL place even that they had players like Young and Downing.

I don't think Kenny know the foreign market well enough to buy a lot of foreigners. He know the British market, that is why he is buying British IMO.

I don't think he for example know what type of player Mata is well enough to spend £15m or something like that on him but he knew what kind of player Downing is and that is why he spent £20m on him.

Nothing to do who of them is the better player. Kenny simply don't know the foreign market well enough yet.

The thing is that the teams that have won the league often had a British spine - United, Chelsea and Arsenal when they won it had a strong selection of British players. I think your analysis is flawed in a number of ways.

It's about getting combinations and a team that plays together. Nationality is not a key factor - it might help short term to allow players to bond and adapt to the league though.

Even the target of previous league winning teams seems to me to be a mistake. Look at Man City - they had a budget far in excess of that accessible to anyone else and they still had to accept getting top four before looking to challenge for the league. We are building the spine of a team.

We have no idea how many foreign players were looked at or what the reasons for rejecting them was. It seems to me that a lot of people are really criticising Kenny for not signing the players in their fantasies rather than looking at the situation realistically.

[RichC]

The thing is that the teams that have won the league often had a British spine - United, Chelsea and Arsenal when they won it had a strong selection of British players. I think your analysis is flawed in a number of ways.

It's about getting combinations and a team that plays together. Nationality is not a key factor - it might help short term to allow players to bond and adapt to the league though.

Even the target of previous league winning teams seems to me to be a mistake. Look at Man City - they had a budget far in excess of that accessible to anyone else and they still had to accept getting top four before looking to challenge for the league. We are building the spine of a team.

We have no idea how many foreign players were looked at or what the reasons for rejecting them was. It seems to me that a lot of people are really criticising Kenny for not signing the players in their fantasies rather than looking at the situation realistically.

[CJ]

even though i have been undwerwhelmed by our purchases after suarez can it not be seen as stage one in the rebuilding? if we have it right then we will look at bolstering with more foreign talent and be able to offer champs league football.

at the moment we cant offer that and it has an effect in who we can recruit.

[pondus]

The thing is that the teams that have won the league often had a British spine - United, Chelsea and Arsenal when they won it had a strong selection of British players. I think your analysis is flawed in a number of ways.

It's about getting combinations and a team that plays together. Nationality is not a key factor - it might help short term to allow players to bond and adapt to the league though.

Even the target of previous league winning teams seems to me to be a mistake. Look at Man City - they had a budget far in excess of that accessible to anyone else and they still had to accept getting top four before looking to challenge for the league. We are building the spine of a team.

We have no idea how many foreign players were looked at or what the reasons for rejecting them was. It seems to me that a lot of people are really criticising Kenny for not signing the players in their fantasies rather than looking at the situation realistically.

To compare us to Villa is just plain ridiculous. Yes they had a spine of British players, but still they are very different from us. They didn't have arguably the best British player the last decade in Gerrard, and they don't have the pulling power when it comes to players like Suarez. I think it's good to have a British spine, and we can build from there, something Villa can't do. Reina, Suarez, Lucas and Meireles already add something extra, and I guess the next step in the Commolli/Kenny masterplan is to add more players like these.

This became more of an answer to the Arn post you quoted dww

[Rowan]

I think he bought them because he believe they are good enough to be able to change from the British way to the pass and move way. No one know how good they will be in a pass and move system because as I said, they never played in one. Kenny clearly bought them because they are great creating chances and they are good players but as I said, that was in a different system.

The teams was built around them and now they will most probably play in a system that isn't built around them.

Not even Kenny know if it will work or not. I think it will take time and that we won't get that great start of the season but we will be stronger after a few months when players like Downing, Carroll and Henderson know the system better and get used to play in a pass and move system.

What's the alternative? To buy 10 players who have previously had teams built around them and then ask them to go out and work as a cohesive unit

And you can give all this tiresome 'British way' bollocks a rest as well.

[RichC]

absolutely, for me it's going to take a little bit of time to rebuild ourselves back to where we were and where we want to be.

It looks as if we're building the nucleus of a side to get us back into the top 4 once we've done that I think we'll look to add these "special" types of players we all want to see signing but no CL football doesn't make that easy.

Hopefully next summer we'll see the Mata type signings which will push us on even further.

[Fierce]

I think he bought them because he believe they are good enough to be able to change from the British way to the pass and move way. No one know how good they will be in a pass and move system because as I said, they never played in one. Kenny clearly bought them because they are great creating chances and they are good players but as I said, that was in a different system.

The teams was built around them and now they will most probably play in a system that isn't built around them.

Not even Kenny know if it will work or not. I think it will take time and that we won't get that great start of the season but we will be stronger after a few months when players like Downing, Carroll and Henderson know the system better and get used to play in a pass and move system.

Good grief. You're basically racist

British Way? Do you actually think when you write this tosh?

You're referring to a league that has more different nationalities in it than ANY other league in the entire world, has been that way for 20 years, and is regarded as one of if not the best league in the world

But similarly, you mention changing from the mystical 'British Way', to a pass and move way; presumably in reference to how Liverpool played in the 70's and 80's?

Y'know, in Britain. Before the influx of foreign talent.....

[Rowan]

Si, it's not worth the effort. Seriously. He's taking all the fun out of the observation of other people's sweeping, generalised statements (based largely on little evidence and heavy alcohol consumption).

[Craig_H]

Good grief. You're basically racist

[Shanks]

You dont just collect individuals and just throw them on the pitch without analysing whether they will fit your system

Some people just don't get it..

[Craig_H]

Yeah, because if a player is good, he must be an 'individual' who is incapable of playing as part of a team

[Lecter]

Yeah, because if a player is good, he must be an 'individual' who is incapable of playing as part of a team

But that is VERY different than what I suggested

I never suggested good players / individuals cant be part of a team

I did however suggest that any individual players should be analysed to see whether they fit the system we play

They are very different points

[Craig_H]

But that is VERY different than what I suggested

I never suggested good players / individuals cant be part of a team

I did however suggest that any individual players should be analysed to see whether they fit the system we play

They are very different points

It wasnt intended as a reply to your point Lec.

[CJ]

Yeah, because if a player is good, he must be an 'individual' who is incapable of playing as part of a team

remember the galacticos they hardly were greater than the sum of their parts wherent they.

not every individual fits well into every team.

[Vermilion]

remember the galacticos they hardly were greater than the sum of their parts wherent they.

not every individual fits well into every team.

Ghood point whell made.